French Bishops Have at Each Other After Synod Report

(Paris) The ambiguity of the Synod Final Report is showing its real impact in France. The French Bishops' Conference seem to have been "overthrown with utter confusion"  by the Relatio finalis on the subject of remarried divorcees. says Corrispondenza Romana.

Those who had hoped  the Synod of Bishops would provide clear tools and a unique orientation, have been disappointed. The result is a compromise which conceals a superficial fundamental disagreement in the first place. Accordingly  a  different result is read.

Different Readings

Three main readings are emerging: The Kasperians, including  Cardinals Kasper, Marx and Schönborn, read the result more in a "hermeneutic of rupture" as an "opening" to a "new" Church of individual subjectivism. Defenders of Catholic teaching on marriage can be divided into two groups. Some, including the spokesman of the anti-Kasperians at the Synod, Cardinals Pell and Cardinal Müller,  read in it a "hermeneutic of continuity" as the preservation of the traditional teaching of the Church, because the demands of Kasperians were blocked. Another part, including Cardinal Burke and Auxiliary Bishop Athanasius Schneider, read the compromise formulas as a foot which the Kasperians have put in the door. They see how their Kasperian opponents have put a hermeneutics of rupture at work that does not allow unrestricted reading of continuity, as the text has been corrupted by the search for a compromise.

Half sentences, partial citations, omissions, misleading choices of words, recourse to a non-theological language and a minority that is determined to have a traditional foreign interpretation, bringing the Church into confusion, as the example of France shows.

The Synod Final Report and a Lot of Questions?

The Bishops' Conference of France dealt with Autumn Plenary session with the final report of the Synod. Numerous questions were raised: If adultery remains forbidden, what  then is the phrase, for example,  "more complete participation in the life of the Church" for adulterers who are found in the Synod final report?

The President of the Episcopal Conference, Archbishop Georges Pontier of Marseilles, was satisfied with the finding that the final report really contained   countless questions that were "deepening." The Archbishop named a few examples: "How can one talk about the state of sin to a remarried couple who have lived together for 30 years? Can one speak in such a case of adultery?"

The answer to the question is clear, according to Catholic doctrine. If the couple do not find themselves in a   state of sin, doesn't   the many years that have passed consist in  a serious omission. However, this omission does not alter their state of adultery. A clear answer, which no longer seems to be so clear-cut after the Synod.

Archbishop Pontier continued: "Do we have the power, to x-ray  the existence of anyone, so that we can refuse him access to communion? What's desacralization to our Christian life? "  In this case too, everything seems to concentrate on the  codification of misunderstandings.

Is the  Church in an  "era of pastoral experiments"

The Bishop of Ajaccio (Corsica), Msgr. Olivier de Germany, therefore were irritated by paragraph 85 of the final report, which was adopted only because a single vote into majority. The Bishop sees in the term "discrimination" the danger of "subjectivism": "You could fall into subjectivism and thus in injustice." The subjunctive appears not to be necessary because the Kasperians require this condition and promote it openly, so it is already partly reality.

.The young Archbishop of Saint-Pierre et Fort-de-France, the Dominican Bishop David Macaire said in the Plenary Assembly of the Bishops' Conference: "Houston, please come, we have a problem!" He warned that the Church was standing before, an "era of pastoral experiments." 

The Bishop of Gap, Msgr. Jean-Michel di Falco Leandri-, noted that "the disagreements and divisions of the Synod" by the final report was handed one-to-one to the Assembly of the Episcopal Conference. And this is true not only for France. After the Synod, confusion seems to entitle  everyone in the Church to read from the double Synod, whatever he wants to read.

The Example of the Diocese of Belfort-Montbéliard

Evening lecture in the Diocese of Belfort-Montbeliard

A striking example of this is the French Roman Catholic Diocese of Belfort-Montbéliard. The Office for Family Pastoral Care of the Diocese organized for the upcoming November 20 an evening lecture with discussion on the topic: "A family together again." Those who expect that it is about the healing of a sacramental marriage or its aim is to bring order to an irregular situation are mistaken. There is also the approach in Belfort-Montbeliard  that is to be found in dioceses in the German-speaking countries that "hurt families" have to be accepted as fact.  When talking about "wounded families,"  of course,  the broken sacramental marriages are not what is meant, but the special   irregular connections , those  married divorced again.  They should be comforted and offered help  in their state. After all, the most daring thesis is that they were discriminated against by the Church, since they are excluded from the sacraments. The Church has an obligation to them. Where they travel they will be  "accompanied",  to remain virtually open-ended. "Accompanying" is the service of the Church, but the goal is  determined by each individual. There should be no fixed standards. It is about a way from somewhere to anywhere. The actual state should not be criticized ("Who am I to judge," Pope Francis).

For this reason,  a priest won't be speaking on November 20 in Trevenans to preach the Catholic doctrine as the only real liberation and healing doctrine, but the family therapist Gerard Vallat. He will speak on "Separation as lived grief of parents and children". There is no charge for the breakup of a family. Such is assumed to be a kind of "natural law" that man only suffers, but can not influence. For this reason, there are only "victims", but neither guilt nor responsibility.

Church as a service: helping people realize their subjective will

Salvation will not be an issue in Trevenans. The theme will be how to best determine stages of life according to ones'  own individual wellness needs and make to those in the converted living reality also including "stage of life partnerships." The perspective is therefore also not be the salvation of sacramental marriage, because what is on the rocks, had just shattered. It's no longer about to put together the pieces of the vase, which was thrown by a specific person or specific people on the floor and shattered. Broken is broken. But it could, says the message, create something new (Love Falls, here today, gone tomorrow).

The children, even children who have just been unlucky. They are to be therapeutically  helped what  with all occupational groups (not priests) work and client groups,   to teach them that with their parents, everyone had a right for to achieve their individual life plans for themselves. Today is today and  tomorrow is just different. Children or not. The main thing is "respect" the other and do not resort to any physical violence.

In short, it was not a question, to fix the damage caused by his father and mother, but to help them "build new bonds". This is "a perspective of utter capitulation. The spirit of the synod is already blowing strong in the Church of France," said Corrispondenza Romana.

Text: Giuseppe Nardi
Image: Diocese of Belfort-Montbeliard (screenshots)

Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com

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Cardinal Kasper's Mental Gymnastics and the Media Catholic With a Drained Battery

(Vienna / Berlin) Austrian Radio broadcast on Thursday about the subject of religion, two separate reports on its the website. They are a perfect cross-section of how newsrooms in secular media, including those that are subject to special public order, thinks about religion and especially about the Catholic Church. The selection of topics and their treatment reveal what kind of person is attracted to the opinion threads. In this specific case it comes to Cardinal Kasper's panning for the camp of the rebels within the Church on the subject of remarried divorcees. The Cardinal offers mental acrobatics while talking about the church that can amaze you. Add to that the comment of a Catholic Women's Representative, which belongs to those quotable Catholics tolerated in the secular media who wished to express themselves as "critical of the CHurch" and especially anti-Catholic.

Kaspers Mental Gymnastics that Henry VIII wa Made a Victim of Church "discrimination" ...

In the German-speaking world, there are voices being raised that want to let it get into open confrontation in the Church. Due to the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI. and the election of Pope Francis a climate was created that have given the aging Progressives a whiff of morning breeze. It seems like they wish to gather for a final battle in which it is all or nothing. After a first groping on various topics such as women priests, female Cardinals, lifting celibacy, the struggle is now focused on the question of admitting remarried divorcees to the sacraments. The entire progressive agenda is trying to put itself through the breach.

After the Cardinals Marx and Lehmann and the bishops Zollitsch, Ackermann and Purst, Cardina Walter Kasper now stands on the side of the rebels. The already retired, over 80 years of age and former of Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, said, according to the Hamburg weekly newspaper, Die Zeit, on the subject of remarried divorcees: "I think that changes and openings have become necessary." The paper presents the former German Cardinal as a "confidant" of Pope Francis (see also the warning to Benedict XVI about a ... Kasper -. Anti-Ratzinger Papacy in Planning ).

.... and the execution of Saint Thomas More for self-defense

The Cardinal gave to understand that he was also expecting and wishes for a "change of course" in Rome, because it must be possible for remarried divorcees, says the Cardinal to "participate fully in the Christian and ecclesial life again." The Cardinal addressed the radical intervention in the Catholic doctrine of marriage was concealed with a regard to "mercy": "What is possible with God, namely forgiveness, that should succeed even in the Church." The doctrine must not be misused to "discriminate" against individuals Österreichische Rundfunk quoted the Cardinal.

The Cardinal also played the tune, weighting Jesus' mandate against God's mercy, the mercy canceling the command as such. A new slip of the tongue, to the Pope Francis himself is not innocent in his "pastoral approach" with its focus. If you follow the thinking of Cardinal Kasper, then the Catholic Church has "discriminated" for 2000 years against the people with the sacrament of marriage. King Henry VIII was, therefore, no dissenter and the executed Thomas More and John Fisher are neither martyrs and nor saints. Henry VIII was rather the victim of a "discriminatory" Church, resisted in self-defense against his Lord Chancellor and the Cardinal, of the faithful who wanted to discriminate against him further.

Media Catholics with Batteries Drained of Catholicism

Thus, there is the second message: undereducated and mere label Catholics appear on behalf of the Catholic Church and largely determine the "Catholic" image in the secular media. Christine Haiden, the chief editor of the Church tax-financed World of Women [Welt der Frau], published by the Catholic women's movement in Austria, has once again given proof. Haiden asked in a commentary for a daily newspaper, for the "equality of men and women in all areas of the Church." This hasn't happened, so her condescending admonition with which she rose up at the same against the Pope, that all "attempts at reform" of Pope Francis would remain "superficial". "Many structural problems of the current Church - even those like rampant clericalism, of which the Pope takes note - are related to the separation of the sexes", Haiden claims to know.

In secular daily newspapers, weekly magazines and on public broadcasting only the "usual suspects" appear as guest commentators to speak on the subject of Church, except for rare exceptions. Self-declared Catholic "experts" appearing on behalf of the Church, whose testimony is mainly characterized as comprising that their Catholic battery seems to be empty all the time. So also with Haiden, who invites you to one of the usual, mindless "thought experiments": "What if a woman were Pope of a church ...". At least at this point a still reasonable Catholic has the healthy Catholic sense that to go any further is a waste of time. The author advocates for all sorts of things, just not for the Catholic faith and the Catholic Church.

Got Uppity "thought experiments" She Approaches the Apostles as a Know-It-All

The rest is just Haiden's boldly pretentious lecturing with the ever-tearful outraged, demanding, arrogant tone. And you can well imagine the many Jewish, pagan, sectarian know-it-alls during the time of Jesus and the apostles, even then, yet wanted to explain to him and to his disciples that it was all very different. How it ended for Jesus and for almost all the Apostles, we also know: And if you're not willing, then I'll use force.

Each day that such a chief editor stays longer in office with church funds and such a newspaper is published, is a day lost for Christ and a loss for the Church.

Intellectually Honest Decision Necessary: ​​Those Who do not Want to be Catholic, Should Leave

Pseudo-Catholics like Christine Haiden would do well to summon the bishop and to present a clear, accurate and above all intellectually honest alternative: either they want to be Catholic, then they have become a believer to submit to the Church's teaching, which should presented to them by the bishop with generosity and with patience, because maybe they really do not know them; or they do not want to be Catholic, then you should let them go their own free will according to their ways Le Loi, c'est moi may be a household word of the powerful, yet there are no La foi, c'est moi, neither for Haiden, nor for theologians a là Paul Zulehner or Hans Küng, nor for Cardinals as Marx, Lehmann and Kasper, not even for a pope. How to make Haiden sail under false colors to spread a poisoned propaganda to non-Catholics, is a crime before God and the faithful. It helps no wife and no family to be Catholic and to gain eternal life.

Where the contents fade and will is is obviously no longer even believed what Mother Church has taught for 2000 years, as handed to her by Christ, "structural reforms" come in the foreground and dominate the scene. But the first and only "structural" reform, which urgently addresses the misery of the Church, is to ensure that all are Catholic within who says they are "Catholic", who are in diocesan offices, associations, media, schools, seminars. Where this is not possible, the corresponding organization should be dissolved. In other words, the biggest mislabeling of all times is preparing an end, that has crept in all levels in the Catholic world. Here follows no remedy, no one should be surprised when at last competent diocesan bishops, who are in the greatest of confusion about what actually is Catholic and why the Catholic voice in the world is to weak or distorted to be heard.

Text: Martha Weinzl / Giuseppe Nardi
 image: Messa in Latino / Diocese of Linz
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com

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Civil War in the Conciliar Church

Since the Second Vatican Council the Communio-Ecclesiology has contrived that everyone in the Church fights against everyone else.  Because:  whoever rejects the primacy of reality,  lands in chaos.

Chance another departure.

(kreuz.net, Mannheim)  Already, at the beginning of the Mannheim anti-Catholic meeting on Thursday the president of the German President "Central Committee of Germany Catholics',  Alois Gluck, demanded the establishment of a diaconate for women.

Gluck is very impatiently wishing for women's ordination.

At the end of his address he gave an honor to Europe's largest Catholic website, 'kreuz.net'.

He criticized "groups" which defend the Western Christian values, but deny at the same time the "worth" to some Gomorrists -- which are be tramped themselves by the homosexuals' own feet.

Gluck thanked the weather vane Old Catholic Bishops for their distancing from 'kreuz.net'.

 A Bishop Says It's So


On Tuesday, the Hamburger Bishop Hans-Jochen Jaschke enthused about the deaconess propaganda.

He said in an article for "Christ und Welt' in the newspaper "Zeit":  "The question regarding the women's diaconate is not decided."

Another Bishop Says Otherwise


Bishop Franz-Josef Overback (47) of Essen criticized the women's ordination propaganda in the newspaper 'Rhenische Post'.

Pope John Paul II has clearly stated, "that the Church has no power, to include women in the priestly office."

Women's ordination is also viewed in the same connection.

It is a  a little beneficial that 'Central Committee' always proposes this theme.

Msgr Overbeck  would rather address problems which are solvable now.

"Very Important", but if only it were otherwise

Archbishop Ludwig Schick of Bamberg desired more influence from women at Katholikentag.

There won't be any ordination of women.  That has been allegedly "so affirmed" by Pope John Paul II.

The women should be department heads in Diocese:  "That would be very important".

Kindergarten teacher more important than a Kindergarten Liturgy --- Presider?

The Archbishop asked a question, "if  the service of a nun or the kindergarten teacher is more important for the kingdom of God than what a pastor does."

Msgr Schick said of the reconciliation with the SSPX that unification with "splintergroups" is a requirement for every Christian.

But that could not happen against the catastrophic Council and its abandonment.

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