Interesting video. Voris & Viles can never be allowed back in front of a camera. BTW, what's with all of these young trads and their double surnames: Hall, Grant, Marshall etc.?
Hall is a hoot. @21 90%+ of people are in mortal sin so don't go after every company, every CEO (Does he mean every diocese, every bishop, cardinal, pope? 90%+ in mortal sin. Really?). CM destroyed peoples lives (@25:15) but he/LifeSiteNews knew all about Voris' but they couldn't expose because afraid of lawsuit (@22:37). [The problem with employees of CM is that they are making their own videos under their own names instead of going to respectable outlets (like lifesite news) and providing anonymous quotes (it's at the end of the video)--then lifesitenews/other outlets could hire them without fearing lawsuits or just get the scoop (?).] LifeSiteNews went after Rosica (@19:51) because they CARED about him. CM just went after people like the Nat'l Enquirer. Hall says it's the victims who don't want the story known. Also LifeSiteNews/Hall don't tell all they know,i.e. they COVER for Ganswein and their 'friends/sources/blackmail subjects' because of "charity," and they expose Josef Clemens and other liberals / perceived enemies like Rosica because of "charity." And some "demons" they don't expose because of love of their own money/fame (fear of lawsuits).
"Update: Gänswein wrote to the journalist Maike Hickson that he was not aware that the man who took the picture was the gay propagandist David Berger adding that he is often asked to pose for photos." https://gloria.tv/post/7JFk2KUcMgje1oqg43B9UUC4M
"Another source in Rome told LifeSite’s Dr. Maike Hickson: “The fact that Josef Clemens was and is an active homosexual is well known among us here in Rome.”'
No-one has floated the idea that Voris wanted to be caught. Or that he could have been being blackmailed and thus doubly wanted to be caught. He was always vulnerable to blackmail even from the inception of CM which seems to have been an OPUS DEI 'ministry' (like LifeSiteNews). Hall acts like Voris picked the way CM ran and what it covered and wasn't being given spiritual (demonic) direction (just like Hall is no doubt getting). Since Voris and his brother both attended NY seminary and Voris was propositioned as an undergraduate by at least one priest at Notre Dame, he could have been shut down at any time by the Catholic Church if they wanted to do so. The one story of Church abuse Voris has never told is his own. I worried when the last person that cared about him, his father, died in 2018 (yeah, and I know what he has apparently said about his father). Many people, including me, ridiculed him unmercifully and questioned that one could repent and be washed clean like Jesus says you can be. It could be that none of this bothered him or played any role in his falling off the wagon and that he is not measuring the mercy of God by our mercy, but we will all see at our judgment how much damage our idle words have done. Before we all 'pray' for Voris, we might want to examine our own consciences and get forgiveness for ourselves.
Not sure where you were going with this rambling post. Everyone assumes that Voris "fell off the wagon". Hell! The guy was never on the wagon to begin with.
You need not remind me to examine my own conscience. The things that Voris did never entered my conscience.
anon @ 12:58 pm "Hell! The guy was never on the wagon to begin with."
That may be your opinion, but understand it is only your opinion. You do not know his heart - only God does. Your pride may be your downfall. “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Matthew 7:1-3
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." Matthew 12:36
The sin of sodomy may have never entered your mind, but Christ died for YOUR sins also. I will pray for you that "Hell!" is not your destination as much as you think it is Voris.'
P.S. It is astonishing how many are shunning Voris (after he's lost his worldly honor and glory) and yet they buzz around any priest, bishop, cardinal who they believe (or KNOW) that 90%+ are living in mortal sin (but they retain their worldly honor and glory). And yet none believe Jesus Christ would vomit them out of His mouth for their hypocrisy. Voris spotlighted the sodomite corruption in the Catholic Church for 10+ years and what was the result? It would drive anyone to despair who may not have been very strong to begin with; also it cannot be discounted that the constant drumbeat from the corrupt Churchmen and culture that sodomy is normal/okay etc. can weaken one's will to resist temptation.
"Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but THEY ALSO THAT CONSENT TO THEM WHO DO THEM. 1 Wherefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest. For wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself. For thou dost the same things which thou judgest. 2 For we know that the judgment of God is, according to truth, against them that do such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them who do such things, and dost the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness, and patience, and longsuffering? Knowest thou not, that the benignity of God leadeth thee to penance? 5 But according to thy hardness and impenitent heart, thou treasurest up to thyself wrath, against the day of wrath, and revelation of the just judgment of God." Romans 1-2
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Interesting video. Voris & Viles can never be allowed back in front of a camera.
BTW, what's with all of these young trads and their double surnames: Hall, Grant, Marshall etc.?
Hall is a hoot. @21 90%+ of people are in mortal sin so don't go after every company, every CEO (Does he mean every diocese, every bishop, cardinal, pope? 90%+ in mortal sin. Really?). CM destroyed peoples lives (@25:15) but he/LifeSiteNews knew all about Voris' but they couldn't expose because afraid of lawsuit (@22:37). [The problem with employees of CM is that they are making their own videos under their own names instead of going to respectable outlets (like lifesite news) and providing anonymous quotes (it's at the end of the video)--then lifesitenews/other outlets could hire them without fearing lawsuits or just get the scoop (?).] LifeSiteNews went after Rosica (@19:51) because they CARED about him. CM just went after people like the Nat'l Enquirer. Hall says it's the victims who don't want the story known. Also LifeSiteNews/Hall don't tell all they know,i.e. they COVER for Ganswein and their 'friends/sources/blackmail subjects' because of "charity," and they expose Josef Clemens and other liberals / perceived enemies like Rosica because of "charity." And some "demons" they don't expose because of love of their own money/fame (fear of lawsuits).
"Update: Gänswein wrote to the journalist Maike Hickson that he was not aware that the man who took the picture was the gay propagandist David Berger adding that he is often asked to pose for photos."
https://gloria.tv/post/7JFk2KUcMgje1oqg43B9UUC4M
"Another source in Rome told LifeSite’s Dr. Maike Hickson: “The fact that Josef Clemens was and is an active homosexual is well known among us here in Rome.”'
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-pope-benedict-xvi-dies-at-the-age-of-95/?utm_source=featured-news
No-one has floated the idea that Voris wanted to be caught. Or that he could have been being blackmailed and thus doubly wanted to be caught. He was always vulnerable to blackmail even from the inception of CM which seems to have been an OPUS DEI 'ministry' (like LifeSiteNews). Hall acts like Voris picked the way CM ran and what it covered and wasn't being given spiritual (demonic) direction (just like Hall is no doubt getting). Since Voris and his brother both attended NY seminary and Voris was propositioned as an undergraduate by at least one priest at Notre Dame, he could have been shut down at any time by the Catholic Church if they wanted to do so. The one story of Church abuse Voris has never told is his own. I worried when the last person that cared about him, his father, died in 2018 (yeah, and I know what he has apparently said about his father). Many people, including me, ridiculed him unmercifully and questioned that one could repent and be washed clean like Jesus says you can be. It could be that none of this bothered him or played any role in his falling off the wagon and that he is not measuring the mercy of God by our mercy, but we will all see at our judgment how much damage our idle words have done. Before we all 'pray' for Voris, we might want to examine our own consciences and get forgiveness for ourselves.
Anon 9:05 am
Not sure where you were going with this rambling post.
Everyone assumes that Voris "fell off the wagon".
Hell! The guy was never on the wagon to begin with.
You need not remind me to examine my own conscience.
The things that Voris did never entered my conscience.
Nemo 9:05 AN
Get some help for the compulsive gossiping, the brain fart and bed wetting conditions.
anon @ 12:58 pm "Hell! The guy was never on the wagon to begin with."
That may be your opinion, but understand it is only your opinion. You do not know his heart - only God does. Your pride may be your downfall. “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Matthew 7:1-3
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." Matthew 12:36
The sin of sodomy may have never entered your mind, but Christ died for YOUR sins also. I will pray for you that "Hell!" is not your destination as much as you think it is Voris.'
P.S. It is astonishing how many are shunning Voris (after he's lost his worldly honor and glory) and yet they buzz around any priest, bishop, cardinal who they believe (or KNOW) that 90%+ are living in mortal sin (but they retain their worldly honor and glory). And yet none believe Jesus Christ would vomit them out of His mouth for their hypocrisy. Voris spotlighted the sodomite corruption in the Catholic Church for 10+ years and what was the result? It would drive anyone to despair who may not have been very strong to begin with; also it cannot be discounted that the constant drumbeat from the corrupt Churchmen and culture that sodomy is normal/okay etc. can weaken one's will to resist temptation.
"Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but THEY ALSO THAT CONSENT TO THEM WHO DO THEM. 1 Wherefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest. For wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself. For thou dost the same things which thou judgest. 2 For we know that the judgment of God is, according to truth, against them that do such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them who do such things, and dost the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness, and patience, and longsuffering? Knowest thou not, that the benignity of God leadeth thee to penance? 5 But according to thy hardness and impenitent heart, thou treasurest up to thyself wrath, against the day of wrath, and revelation of the just judgment of God." Romans 1-2
Anon@ 12/07 6:08am:
You sound pretty judge-y there yourself, Bucko.
You should take the advice that Voris ignored. Take the plank out of your own eye before you point out the speck in your brothers'.
Anon 6:08 AN may be one of those moralistic biblical fundamentalists who rent a slot on the Jimmy Swaggart show.
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