Boomer Jones really doesn’t get the SSPX or the Latin Mass issue. A lot of these Opus Dei types misrepresent their opponents. Now, THAT’s Jewish.
This Irish lady, Gemma’s arguments are total sheit.
Most people in Germany would attend TLM if it were available and most of the French clergy training in the NO want to learn the TLM.
In fact, when the TLM was offered widely at a parish in Minnesota, most of the parish started attending the real Mass and only a small number attended the Bugninine liturgy.
1/3 of people going to Mass in France are going to a traditional one of some form. Francis is a bull in a China shop. Few Irish were jolted in to that because, like Poland, the abuses of the Nervous disOrdo were introduced gradually. It is not the French, this time in the pot of hot water. In fact, I went to my first TLM somewhat late in life. My first observation was: “they receive communion the Irish way”. That was because maany Irish churches retain this practice to this day. I don’t blame Gemma for not seeing this. As for Jones, he concentrates on the Church’s external enemies. He believes he won the debate with Michael Davies when most wonder if he was acting as a shill and has moved on. Who cares? Liturgy isn’t his strong point. If only more of those who are right on liturgy were capable of putting these two words together: theandJews
I really like Dr. Jones's insight on so much of what he discusses, even when it comes to the how's and why's of the post VII church. But when it comes to picking or choosing one Mass or another, or 'fixing' the liturgy, I'm left spellbound. Surely, he and Gemma know the N.O. itself is the problem and cannot be repaired, reformed or restarted inasmuch as it is intrinsically defective BY DESIGN. A design by men I might add. It is a new wine in an old wine skin in a sense (which would explain the loss of clergy by the thousands and laity by the tens and hundreds of thousands following the council, its interpretation' and implementation). More still to the point, this novus ordo (Eccles.1:10) is to the Church what Frankenstein's creature is to man, namely a fabrication. Technically alive, but monstrous; forever internally imprisoned, externally impaired, incapable of being fully what its creators so hoped [or claimed...] it would be. Rather it is the instrument of the machinations of disordered minds. And it shows. Barely moments into the Mass, the penitential rite for instance, when it includes a lecture reading specific requests or observances of Gods attributes, often comes off as if one was 'Mirandizing' God. And the Mass itself violates the 3rd commandment and weaponizes the 4th against the 1st in the hearts of a disenfranchised laity. Once we were children, but as Dr. Marre of happy memory used to say, we were "ready to be corrupted". And so we were.
Staying in the V2nuchurch hasn't stopped a thing. I disagree. This fakechurch was imposed by people who know well how to diffuse resistance. I learned long ago there is no such thing as school reform, the system is set up to identify, marginalize and isolate "resistors". The school system is working as it was designed and they are NOT "public" schools except that the public is forced to fund the indoctrinizing of their own kids into servitude. I see no difference in the fakechurch. It is not that it is a LATIN Mass "cult", it is the TRADITIONAL Mass which is less likely to be corrupted, being a dead language, than the "vernacular", hacked up Protestant N.O.. Gemma and Jones seem a bit naive in thinking that people would be able to reverse the revolution without an actual Mass. An awful lot of elderly stuck with the N.O., their priest right or wrong, blah, blah. And now these poor excuses for Catholic priests threaten them with damnation if they don't fund whatever the priest wants (the latest: air conditioning, and the priest spitefully moved the statue of Sacred Heart Jesus (near full sized) into the office BATHROOM across from the toilet. The ladies said nothing, and continued to use the toilet. I cannot stomach the evil.
It wouldn't be be so bad, N.O. or TLM, were it not for the milk toast homilies, faggotry, and sacrilege (found in all camps I'm afraid). But at least the form of TLM, the form of Catholic thought, is a hillock one can live on. Many of the N.O. Catholics are true believers and better people than I on the whole (not a high bar I'm afraid) but frequently, to me they seem spiritually zombified directly because of the Mass they attend. And they don't realize it. The same perhaps, may be said of me, yet it would be a comment personal to me, not the institution. We're witnessing the Passion of the Church. We must stay at the foot of her cross.
I find it humorous to see people not understanding that politics and religion go together. One cannot separate the two.If one is of the opinion that Church and State must be kept separate, that is what makes a leftist. Conservatives always put up mock resistence and capitulate in the end, because the system and stability must be maintained, even at the cost of wrong principles. Traditionalists, instead cannot live with the idea that government cannot be separated from its Ultimate Creator and purpose. These Conservatives are the zombies of today.
The comment that Gemma made about the Left-Right "Conservative"-"Liberal" box not existing in Ireland, that they recognized it was Catholic, not "Conservative" that opposed tyranny, was heartening. The idea of "secular" is a myth, it is all religion. Communism and socialism are religions being forced at gunpoint, justified as "secular", government separated from religion. Real conservatives, Godly men of principle were purged after WW2 in America, and the socialist/Neocon fake ""Conservative" vs "Liberal" Hegelian dialectic was imposed, language twisted to even remove the ability of people to conceive of truly limited government.
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Boomer Jones really doesn’t get the SSPX or the Latin Mass issue. A lot of these Opus Dei types misrepresent their opponents. Now, THAT’s Jewish.
This Irish lady, Gemma’s arguments are total sheit.
Most people in Germany would attend TLM if it were available and most of the French clergy training in the NO want to learn the TLM.
In fact, when the TLM was offered widely at a parish in Minnesota, most of the parish started attending the real Mass and only a small number attended the Bugninine liturgy.
Amen!
In my experience, most Germans would watch Football or go to a Lutheran service before sitting thru a TLM.
As for the French , they’re truly a queer race. “They fight with their feet and F#€k with their face. “
I’m sure your experience is magisterial and truth producing.
https://www.theeponymousflower.com/2010/04/44-percent-of-germans-want-old-mass.html?m=1
1/3 of people going to Mass in France are going to a traditional one of some form. Francis is a bull in a China shop.
Few Irish were jolted in to that because, like Poland, the abuses of the Nervous disOrdo were introduced gradually. It is not the French, this time in the pot of hot water. In fact, I went to my first TLM somewhat late in life. My first observation was: “they receive communion the Irish way”. That was because maany Irish churches retain this practice to this day. I don’t blame Gemma for not seeing this. As for Jones, he concentrates on the Church’s external enemies. He believes he won the debate with Michael Davies when most wonder if he was acting as a shill and has moved on. Who cares? Liturgy isn’t his strong point. If only more of those who are right on liturgy were capable of putting these two words together: the and Jews
I really like Dr. Jones's insight on so much of what he discusses, even when it comes to the how's and why's of the post VII church. But when it comes to picking or choosing one Mass or another, or 'fixing' the liturgy, I'm left spellbound.
Surely, he and Gemma know the N.O. itself is the problem and cannot be repaired, reformed or restarted inasmuch as it is intrinsically defective BY DESIGN. A design by men I might add. It is a new wine in an old wine skin in a sense (which would explain the loss of clergy by the thousands and laity by the tens and hundreds of thousands following the council, its interpretation' and implementation).
More still to the point, this novus ordo (Eccles.1:10) is to the Church what Frankenstein's creature is to man, namely a fabrication. Technically alive, but monstrous; forever internally imprisoned, externally impaired, incapable of being fully what its creators so hoped [or claimed...] it would be. Rather it is the instrument of the machinations of disordered minds. And it shows. Barely moments into the Mass, the penitential rite for instance, when it includes a lecture reading specific requests or observances of Gods attributes, often comes off as if one was 'Mirandizing' God. And the Mass itself violates the 3rd commandment and weaponizes the 4th against the 1st in the hearts of a disenfranchised laity.
Once we were children, but as Dr. Marre of happy memory used to say, we were "ready to be corrupted". And so we were.
er, I'm also a dummy... Violates the 4th, and weaponizes the 5th against the 1st. I shall no go hang my image on the wall of shame for a week.
Staying in the V2nuchurch hasn't stopped a thing. I disagree. This fakechurch was imposed by people who know well how to diffuse resistance. I learned long ago there is no such thing as school reform, the system is set up to identify, marginalize and isolate "resistors". The school system is working as it was designed and they are NOT "public" schools except that the public is forced to fund the indoctrinizing of their own kids into servitude. I see no difference in the fakechurch. It is not that it is a LATIN Mass "cult", it is the TRADITIONAL Mass which is less likely to be corrupted, being a dead language, than the "vernacular", hacked up Protestant N.O.. Gemma and Jones seem a bit naive in thinking that people would be able to reverse the revolution without an actual Mass. An awful lot of elderly stuck with the N.O., their priest right or wrong, blah, blah. And now these poor excuses for Catholic priests threaten them with damnation if they don't fund whatever the priest wants (the latest: air conditioning, and the priest spitefully moved the statue of Sacred Heart Jesus (near full sized) into the office BATHROOM across from the toilet. The ladies said nothing, and continued to use the toilet. I cannot stomach the evil.
It wouldn't be be so bad, N.O. or TLM, were it not for the milk toast homilies, faggotry, and sacrilege (found in all camps I'm afraid). But at least the form of TLM, the form of Catholic thought, is a hillock one can live on. Many of the N.O. Catholics are true believers and better people than I on the whole (not a high bar I'm afraid) but frequently, to me they seem spiritually zombified directly because of the Mass they attend. And they don't realize it. The same perhaps, may be said of me, yet it would be a comment personal to me, not the institution. We're witnessing the Passion of the Church. We must stay at the foot of her cross.
I find it humorous to see people not understanding that politics and religion go together. One cannot separate the two.If one is of the opinion that Church and State must be kept separate, that is what makes a leftist. Conservatives always put up mock resistence and capitulate in the end, because the system and stability must be maintained, even at the cost of wrong principles. Traditionalists, instead cannot live with the idea that government cannot be separated from its Ultimate Creator and purpose. These Conservatives are the zombies of today.
The comment that Gemma made about the Left-Right "Conservative"-"Liberal" box not existing in Ireland, that they recognized it was Catholic, not "Conservative" that opposed tyranny, was heartening. The idea of "secular" is a myth, it is all religion. Communism and socialism are religions being forced at gunpoint, justified as "secular", government separated from religion. Real conservatives, Godly men of principle were purged after WW2 in America, and the socialist/Neocon fake ""Conservative" vs "Liberal" Hegelian dialectic was imposed, language twisted to even remove the ability of people to conceive of truly limited government.
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