JULY 7, 2020 Cardinal Brandmuller, Archbishop Vigano and Sandro Magister going in circles Archbishop Carlo Vigano has responded to Sandro Magister's report.It has been posted on Magister's blog Il Settimo Cielo/ La Repubblica and Cardinal Walter Brandmuller has also commented.All of them are still going in cricles holding each others tails. None of them are saying that a false premise determines if Vatican Council II is a rupture with the past.It may not be in the interest of La Repubblica to disclose how the Catholic Church can return to Tradition in a very simply and unbelievable way. However Archbishop Vigano and even Cardinal Brandmuller are all at sea and cannot see and speak the truth. Only Divine Intervention, I think,will help them to see what is so obvious for me and now for many others who read this blog.-Lionel Andrades http://magister.blogautore.espresso.repubblica.it/2020/07/06/sul-concilio-una-lettera-di-vigano-e-una-lezione-di-brandmuller-chi-ha-ragione-e-chi-no/
How does this kraut think he can tell Viganò that the Church changed the teaching on usury? Presumably, he thinks Frances can do the same with capital punishment. Vix pervenit Rules!
Bradmuller defends the basic validity of Vatican II. Coward. Vigano is the only one who speak the truth. In my job, I traveled the world in the 10 1/2 years I was active in-----not since February thanks to COVID-19. But I was in several countries multiple times, and visited Churches, monasteries, convents.....out of general interest for their history, but also to see how religious life was faring in Ireland,England, France,Portugal,Spain, Belgium,Netherlands,Italy, Germany, Switzerland, Poland,Austria, Croatia, Russia, Mexico,Pero,Argentina, India, Japan and Australia. )I was also in Egypt,Greece,Turkey, Israel,and Indonesia, but I don't count them due to the tiny Catholic populations). IN ALL THE COUNTRIES EXCEPT FOR 2 (Mexico and Poland), the Church has been wiped out by VAtican II and it's reforms, in all areas of religious life. In Poland, there are still a large (but slowly declining unfortunatly), number of religious sisters. The totals of new sisters was larger under JPII (naturally), and also Benedict XVI, but declining under Francis (also, naturally). same for male vocations. Mass attendance is rather steady, but under threat by the LGBTQ movement (garbage), and some radical femminists. IN Mexico, those Orders which have wholeheartedly bought into VAtican II are declining rapidly, but there still is a solid group which remain traditional, and if not growing greatly, are at least stable. There are also more than two dozen new Orders of monks,friars,and nuns who are strongly traditionalist, and use the TLM with the Novus Ordo, or just the TLM. Mass attendance is down from before the Council, bt it is still strong. The bible Protestants have not made as much gains in Mexico as in other places, because the people have a deep suspicion of them, and in large areas they are hated. So I've seen the world pretty extensively for 32 YEAR OLD ! aND i CAN TELL YOU, IF ANYONE LIKE BRADMULLER, OR ANYONE ELSE, OR THIS HERETIC POPE COMES OUT WITH THE BS THAT VATICAN II HAS BEEN A GREAT BLESSING.....THEN THAT REALLY IS 100% B.S. VIGANO SPEAKS THE TRUTH. HE IS A HERO. WISH HE COULD BE POPE.
Bradmuller defends the basic validity of Vatican II. Coward. Vigano is the only one who speak the truth.
LEFEBVRISTS ARE IN A CRISIS MODE : THIS INCLUDES BRANDMULLER AND VIGANO.
The Lefebvrist bishops Donald Sanborn and Mark Pivarunas, sedevacantists, are in a crisis mode today.But there problem is also that of Lefbvrists in general. Sanborn and Pivarunas know that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise. If they do interpret the Council without the false premise, they would be supporting 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). There would be no exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. Oops. But if they affirm Feeneyite EENS the Jewish Left will come after them. They will be labelled Anti Semetic etc and their websites will be targeted. There bank balances will be threathedend and so also their seminary property. It is the same with Roberto dei Mattei and Dr.Taylor Marshall for example. As long as they interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise, with Cushingite theology, the New Theology, there is a rupture with Tradition and Feeneyite EENS. The Jewish Left and the present two popes appreciate this.No problem.They are saying the same thing. Vatican Council II is a rupture with Tradition for them. If Mattei and Marshall did not use the false premise to interpet Vatican Council II they would be affirming Feeneyite EENS and this would not be allowed by the Left. this would be asking for trouble.So Mattei and Marshall use the Lefebvrist Theology to please the Jewish Left. It is like Michael and Peter Dimond at the Most Holy Family Monastery who affirm Feeneyite EENS, the strict interpretation of EENS. But they also interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and so there is a rupture created with EENS and the Athanasius Creed. So they are tolerated by the Left. Similarly Vigano and Brandmuller will not interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise; the Lefebvrist new theology. They are tolerated. They can have all the discussions they want. As along as they critiize Vatican Council II and project it as a rupture with Tradition the Vatican and the Left don't mind. Since this is what the Left and the Vatican also do. However if they did not use the false premise they would be telling the average Catholic that they can interpret the Council in harmony with the strict interpretation of EENS as in the 1930's and before. This would be unacceptable for the Left. Why would they permit Taylor Marshall to have a website and Roberto dei Mattei to have his media in Italy ? He who pays the fiddler calls the tune. The Internet is owned by those who oppose and hate the Church. So Michael Voris has to comply and Dr.Joseph Shaw and Fr. John Zuhlsdorf tow the line. The FIUV and Una Voce also interpret the Council as a rupture with Tradition. So it is safe for Vigano, Brnadmuller and Schneider to interpret Lumen Gentium 8 for example as an exception to EENS. This is politically correct. However if they said that LG 8 was not an exception to EENS, since it referred to a hypothetical case, this would be a crisis for them. Now Sanborn and Pivarus know that there is no basis for sedevacantism with Vatican Council II interpreted ratinally. But they are not going to affirm the Council in harmony with Tradition. They need the hermeneutic of rupture. -Lionel Andrades
"Correct me if I am wrong: a Pope does not have to be elected out the College of Cardinals?"
Yuo, you are right. Technically (and I do mean simply technically because it'll never happen), any faithful, devout and solidly orthodox Catholic celibate layman (as well as priests,Bishops, Cardinals), could be elected Pope. God forbid, but if he were solidly orthodox and known as such, someone like George Weigel could be elected Pope if the Cardinals could not find someone among their number, or any outside bishop or priest. Archbishop Vigano could be elected Pope (if he were younger). Archbishop Schneider could be elected Pope (and many hope he would be since he is traditionalist and orthodox and still only in his late 50's). Cardinal Burke could be elected Pope. Wouldn't that be fantastic. They could look outside of the sacrred College and pick the orthodox Patriarch of Venice, who heretic Pope Francis has consistantly passed over for cardinal. I would bet that the next Pope is 100% the opposite of Pope Francis (who I don't think from views of him, is too well). But I think the next Pope will still be from the Sacred College. If not, that would be remarkable and enormous news...as much asit was when JPII was elected, the first non-Italian in 400 yrs. If ever they chose to pick a layman, they'd have to go back over 1,500 years since there was one of them (he was ordained, and then consecrated a bishop in a day). Forget his name, but I know it was before even the time of St. Benedict.(540's AD) But that will never happen.
NO COMMENT FROM BRANDMULLER OR VIGANO ABOUT PRESIDENT SERGIO MATTARELLA
President Sergio Mattarella and Justice Marta Cartabia use the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and Archbishop Vigano and Prof. Mattei look the other way ( Graphics ) https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/07/president-sergio-mattarella-and-justice.html
The president of Italy Sergio Mattarella and the judiciary here interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise when they can interpret the Council without the false premise.Yet 50 priests, scholars and journalists who signed a petition ignored this.1 In their political interpretation of Vatican Council II,like that of Archbishop Vigano and Bishop Schneider, the 50 chose not to raise this issue and more important interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise,themelves. They would then have to affirm 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) or EENS like that of the Jesuits in the Middle Ages. Since there would be no exceptions to EENS in Vatican Council II. If they corrected the President of Italy they would also have to correct the mistake of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.They would also have to admit that the bishops of the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) interpreted Vatican Council II with the same false premise.-Lionel Andrades
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JULY 7, 2020
Cardinal Brandmuller, Archbishop Vigano and Sandro Magister going in circles
Archbishop Carlo Vigano has responded to Sandro Magister's report.It has been posted on Magister's blog Il Settimo Cielo/ La Repubblica and Cardinal Walter Brandmuller has also commented.All of them are still going in cricles holding each others tails.
None of them are saying that a false premise determines if Vatican Council II is a rupture with the past.It may not be in the interest of La Repubblica to disclose how the Catholic Church can return to Tradition in a very simply and unbelievable way.
However Archbishop Vigano and even Cardinal Brandmuller are all at sea and cannot see and speak the truth.
Only Divine Intervention, I think,will help them to see what is so obvious for me and now for many others who read this blog.-Lionel Andrades
http://magister.blogautore.espresso.repubblica.it/2020/07/06/sul-concilio-una-lettera-di-vigano-e-una-lezione-di-brandmuller-chi-ha-ragione-e-chi-no/
How does this kraut think he can tell Viganò that the Church changed the teaching on usury? Presumably, he thinks Frances can do the same with capital punishment. Vix pervenit Rules!
Bradmuller defends the basic validity of Vatican II. Coward. Vigano is the only one who speak the truth.
In my job, I traveled the world in the 10 1/2 years I was active in-----not since February thanks to COVID-19. But I was in several countries multiple times, and visited Churches, monasteries, convents.....out of general interest for their history, but also to see how religious life was faring in Ireland,England, France,Portugal,Spain, Belgium,Netherlands,Italy, Germany, Switzerland, Poland,Austria, Croatia, Russia, Mexico,Pero,Argentina, India, Japan and Australia. )I was also in Egypt,Greece,Turkey, Israel,and Indonesia, but I don't count them due to the tiny Catholic populations). IN ALL THE COUNTRIES EXCEPT FOR 2 (Mexico and Poland), the Church has been wiped out by VAtican II and it's reforms, in all areas of religious life.
In Poland, there are still a large (but slowly declining unfortunatly), number of religious sisters. The totals of new sisters was larger under JPII (naturally), and also Benedict XVI, but declining under Francis (also, naturally). same for male vocations. Mass attendance is rather steady, but under threat by the LGBTQ movement (garbage), and some radical femminists.
IN Mexico, those Orders which have wholeheartedly bought into VAtican II are declining rapidly, but there still is a solid group which remain traditional, and if not growing greatly, are at least stable. There are also more than two dozen new Orders of monks,friars,and nuns who are strongly traditionalist, and use the TLM with the Novus Ordo, or just the TLM. Mass attendance is down from before the Council, bt it is still strong. The bible Protestants have not made as much gains in Mexico as in other places, because the people have a deep suspicion of them, and in large areas they are hated.
So I've seen the world pretty extensively for 32 YEAR OLD ! aND i CAN TELL YOU, IF ANYONE LIKE BRADMULLER, OR ANYONE ELSE, OR THIS HERETIC POPE COMES OUT WITH THE BS THAT VATICAN II HAS BEEN A GREAT BLESSING.....THEN THAT REALLY IS 100% B.S.
VIGANO SPEAKS THE TRUTH. HE IS A HERO. WISH HE COULD BE POPE.
Damian M. Malliapalli
Interesting Damian. God bless you.
T. In Australia.
Correct me if I am wrong: a Pope does not have to be elected out the College of Cardinals?
Bradmuller defends the basic validity of Vatican II. Coward. Vigano is the only one who speak the truth.
LEFEBVRISTS ARE IN A CRISIS MODE : THIS INCLUDES BRANDMULLER AND VIGANO.
The Lefebvrist bishops Donald Sanborn and Mark Pivarunas, sedevacantists, are in a crisis mode today.But there problem is also that of Lefbvrists in general.
Sanborn and Pivarunas know that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise. If they do interpret the Council without the false premise, they would be supporting 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). There would be no exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.
Oops. But if they affirm Feeneyite EENS the Jewish Left will come after them. They will be labelled Anti Semetic etc and their websites will be targeted. There bank balances will be threathedend and so also their seminary property.
It is the same with Roberto dei Mattei and Dr.Taylor Marshall for example. As long as they interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise, with Cushingite theology, the New Theology, there is a rupture with Tradition and Feeneyite EENS. The Jewish Left and the present two popes appreciate this.No problem.They are saying the same thing. Vatican Council II is a rupture with Tradition for them.
If Mattei and Marshall did not use the false premise to interpet Vatican Council II they would be affirming Feeneyite EENS and this would not be allowed by the Left. this would be asking for trouble.So Mattei and Marshall use the Lefebvrist Theology to please the Jewish Left.
It is like Michael and Peter Dimond at the Most Holy Family Monastery who affirm Feeneyite EENS, the strict interpretation of EENS. But they also interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and so there is a rupture created with EENS and the Athanasius Creed. So they are tolerated by the Left.
Similarly Vigano and Brandmuller will not interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise; the Lefebvrist new theology. They are tolerated. They can have all the discussions they want.
As along as they critiize Vatican Council II and project it as a rupture with Tradition the Vatican and the Left don't mind. Since this is what the Left and the Vatican also do.
However if they did not use the false premise they would be telling the average Catholic that they can interpret the Council in harmony with the strict interpretation of EENS as in the 1930's and before.
This would be unacceptable for the Left. Why would they permit Taylor Marshall to have a website and Roberto dei Mattei to have his media in Italy ?
He who pays the fiddler calls the tune. The Internet is owned by those who oppose and hate the Church. So Michael Voris has to comply and Dr.Joseph Shaw and Fr. John Zuhlsdorf tow the line. The FIUV and Una Voce also interpret the Council as a rupture with Tradition.
So it is safe for Vigano, Brnadmuller and Schneider to interpret Lumen Gentium 8 for example as an exception to EENS. This is politically correct. However if they said that LG 8 was not an exception to EENS, since it referred to a hypothetical case, this would be a crisis for them.
Now Sanborn and Pivarus know that there is no basis for sedevacantism with Vatican Council II interpreted ratinally. But they are not going to affirm the Council in harmony with Tradition. They need the hermeneutic of rupture.
-Lionel Andrades
Too bad Zippy Catholic is no longer among us to write about usury. Godspeed, Zippy.
"Correct me if I am wrong: a Pope does not have to be elected out the College of Cardinals?"
Yuo, you are right. Technically (and I do mean simply technically because it'll never happen), any faithful, devout and solidly orthodox Catholic celibate layman (as well as priests,Bishops, Cardinals), could be elected Pope. God forbid, but if he were solidly orthodox and known as such, someone like George Weigel could be elected Pope if the Cardinals could not find someone among their number, or any outside bishop or priest. Archbishop Vigano could be elected Pope (if he were younger). Archbishop Schneider could be elected Pope (and many hope he would be since he is traditionalist and orthodox and still only in his late 50's). Cardinal Burke could be elected Pope. Wouldn't that be fantastic. They could look outside of the sacrred College and pick the orthodox Patriarch of Venice, who heretic Pope Francis has consistantly passed over for cardinal.
I would bet that the next Pope is 100% the opposite of Pope Francis (who I don't think from views of him, is too well). But I think the next Pope will still be from the Sacred College.
If not, that would be remarkable and enormous news...as much asit was when JPII was elected, the first non-Italian in 400 yrs.
If ever they chose to pick a layman, they'd have to go back over 1,500 years since there was one of them (he was ordained, and then consecrated a bishop in a day). Forget his name, but I know it was before even the time of St. Benedict.(540's AD)
But that will never happen.
Damian M. Malliapalli
Weigel is married.
NO COMMENT FROM BRANDMULLER OR VIGANO ABOUT PRESIDENT SERGIO MATTARELLA
President Sergio Mattarella and Justice Marta Cartabia use the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and Archbishop Vigano and Prof. Mattei look the other way ( Graphics )
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/07/president-sergio-mattarella-and-justice.html
The president of Italy Sergio Mattarella and the judiciary here interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise when they can interpret the Council without the false premise.Yet 50 priests, scholars and journalists who signed a petition ignored this.1
In their political interpretation of Vatican Council II,like that of Archbishop Vigano and Bishop Schneider, the 50 chose not to raise this issue and more important interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise,themelves. They would then have to affirm 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) or EENS like that of the Jesuits in the Middle Ages. Since there would be no exceptions to EENS in Vatican Council II.
If they corrected the President of Italy they would also have to correct the mistake of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.They would also have to admit that the bishops of the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) interpreted Vatican Council II with the same false premise.-Lionel Andrades
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