Cardinal Müller defends the popular Italian Interior Minister Salvini against attacks by Church officials: "It is absurd that the pope’s staff, like P. Spadaro, act here like political judges."
Rome (kath.net) Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller has defended Italian Interior Minister Matteo Salvini, who allegedly did not receive an audience with Pope Francis, against attacks by left-wing Catholics. Salvini, who is also very popular with Catholics in Italy, has repeatedly used Christian symbols in the election campaign and also referred to Christian roots. In an interview with Corriere della Sera, Müller hopes that the Church will come to terms with Salvini and reject the attacks by some church representatives from the close circle of Pope Francis. These are "amateurish" and "inappropriate". "An ecclesiastical authority can talk about theological matters so amateurishly," said Müller. Moreover, one should not interfere in politics, if there was a democratically legitimized parliament and a government like in Italy. "It would be better to talk to Salvini, to discuss with him, to correct him if necessary."
For Müller, the interference of bishops in politics is worse than when Salvini uses religious symbols. "I prefer those who want to talk about Christian traditions to those who want to remove them." It is absurd that Pope’s staff, like P. Spadaro, act here like political judges.” In addition to the attacks of the Jesuit, there were other bizarre attacks on Salvini. The Italian Bishop Domenico Mogavero, for example, said that those who choose Salvini should not call themselves Christians. The bishop even claims that Salvini's views are "inhumane, anti-historical" and diametrically opposed to the Gospel. Cardinal Müller rejects such attacks. "No one can say that those who do not want to have migrants are not Christians, of course we have to welcome migrants, but we can not identify with one single policy."
For Müller, it is strange that Pope Francis is talking to the regime of Venezuela or the Chinese regime, which has persecuted millions of Christians but does not want to speak with Salvini. "But we are here in Italy, not in China, you have to talk to everyone in the spirit of brotherhood."
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Anyone who presents the Crucifix of our Lord and dedicates his nation under the patronage of The Blessed Mother has my full support.
ReplyDeleteI am not surprised it makes the “Pope” and his Cardinals uncomfortable and angry.
ReplyDeleteFrancis in Romania? Arrangement of Romanian Gypsies/Muslims for easy access to Italy
just to spite Salvini and the Italians?
"Francis in Romania? Arrangement of Romanian Gypsies/Muslims for easy access to Italy."
ReplyDeleteThe Pope can not arrange any agreement for Gypsies or Muslims for easy access to Italy....that is the role of the Italian government, and if he were to try it, it would not be allowed.
But, all I can say by this action of Francis is "deeper and deeper" he goes into trouble with the Italian people. They for the most part hate him and his people already....if he tried to pull any of this crap in Romania, they'll(the Roman people) will be ready to egg his car when he's driven back from the airport to Casa Santa Martha.
The first think out of his mouth when he got to Romania was about migrants(muslims). He really should convert to Islam....for real.
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ReplyDeleteDear Mr. Watson, One would not know you had such vices, if you were not that keen in perceiving them in others. A little Charity would have saved you the humiliating experience. In modern psychology, its called "projection". Projecting your own inadequacies and failures and seeing and imagining them in others. I don't agree with neither your nor the Cardinal's subservience to anything the Pope says, unless it's backed up by an organic development of Scripture and Church writings from the time if the Apostles. That should be your understanding, if you dare call yourself a Catholic.
ReplyDeleteMuller is the Vatican's voice of sanity. Maybe the next Pope? He seems to have his hat in the ring and his head on the block. The man's got style and guts.
ReplyDeleteBut Cardinal Mueller wad against the SSPX, arguing for full acceptance of Vatican II, before integration
DeleteMüller had an ambivalent relationship with Benedict and things Catholic before he became CDF.
DeleteIt seems to me that he’s playing a scripted role and will roll over and play dead at the right time.
Constantine--
ReplyDeleteMaybe he has changed his mind. Vatican II must be abrogated in its entirety. Anyway who else do we have to take Francis place? Sarah? Burke? Neither have a chance in my opinion.
He also wasn’t Benedict’s first choice for CDF and before he got the office, he was decidedly in the camp of the Sodanos.
DeleteWitness the tank tracks from the Panzer Pope on his head when he tried to oppose the removal of the title of Pontifical University from Chile University...
I meant Peru
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ReplyDeleteMueller is more Catholic than I thought, considering his previous leanings before becoming CDF Prefect. But, if his somewhat conservative, somewhat traditional Catholic comments now are making his fellow German bishops(the rad liberals) angry, he must be doing something right. Didn't he also recently celebrate the TLM somewhere? Something I never thought he would do.
ReplyDeleteBenedict XVI was a great Pope in many ways, especially liturgically, but he did make some bad appointments. Cardinal Marx was one of them.
Many people bring up the Peru affair and Cardinal Cipriani Thorne (not Thorpe like Peter W wrote....duh). But you have to remember that Pope Benedict and the Cardinal were/are at least Catholics who saw a heretical situation and wanted to correct it.
Francis and the Catholic U. in Peru people are not, which is why the decisive action of Benedict and the Cardinal against the heretical University was quickly overturned by a heretic Pope.
Sad but true.
Now he's in Romania, still spouting off about migrants.
Why doesn't he pack up and become a migrant....back to Argentina. Or better yet, off to Egypt or Somalia or Iran,Saudia Arabia, Yemen, Iraq, Morocco....where I am sure they would welcome him with open arms as one of them! Better there than in Rome.:@)
Even Schönborn has said the Immemorial Mass.
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ReplyDeleteIt was the 1570 version of unreformed rubricism gone bonkers.
ReplyDeleteThe real 'Immemorial' was Jesus last supper with his disciples. It was in Aramaic, celebrated in Greek then in the fourth century, in Latin in a very few places.
The Roman Rite is the most ancient Litirgy of them all. Thanks for rehashing tired old fag-end Liturgical Renewal cliches you probabably picked up from your parish priest and leotard clad liturgists and puppeteers of the 70s.
DeleteNice Gallagheresque take also, what with the groovy up—to-date lingo like “bonkers”. Absolutely zanny, honk Honk!
DeleteThe Aramaic Syrian/Chaldean Rite dates back to the second century. The 'Roman Rite' was in its infancy in the fourth century. Read a book Tancred.
ReplyDeleteOh, thank you Master Gaybrielle.
DeleteBecause I don’t subscribe to your groovy Liturgical bellbottoms I must not understand Litirgy. This is why I delete your posts, because when you play chess with a pigeon, all he does is shit on the board and knock over all the pieces.
"The prejudice that imagines that everything Eastern must be old is a mistake. All Eastern rites have been modified later too; some of them quite late. No Eastern rite now used is so archaic as the Roman Mass."
Your unattributed quotation from Fortescue doesn't prove anything beyond demonstrating conclusively that the author is lost in his own circular argument made up of conjecture, guessing, declaring and dodgy semantics. Quoting an expert in rubrics won't necessarily demonstrate historical truth. That is so in this case.
ReplyDeleteYou'll have to do a lot better than this, old chap.
Since when does a moral relativist care about the historical record? The Roman Rite has its origin in the first century, and that’s a matter of historical fact. No, they didn’t have puppets and parading gays like you and your Bologna School homos like, but it is the most ancient liturgy, confecting the Sacrifice of God’s Son, not a community meal on somebody’s front room table.
ReplyDeleteA quote from a book of rubrics doesn't support your claim one bit. If one was to follow your dodgy logic, then Melchizedek chatted with Noah in Latin. Stone the crows, Tancred.
ReplyDeleteThe Roman Mass was in its infancy in the Scriptires and the Jewish Synagogue liturgy and Fortesque’s book isn’t a study of the rubrics, but the work of a serious Catholic scholar treating the history of the Mass. If anything is dodgy it’s you.
DeleteCuster came second.
ReplyDeleteX isn’t true just because you say it’s true.
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ReplyDeleteÏnterpretation: Come to Rome where the streets are paved with gold
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