Curia member of the Diocese of Manchester, USA indicate C.J Doyle and Phil Lawler in the diocese of Manchester, N.H are also not Catholic.
According to Mary Ellen Mahon Cabinet Secretary for Catholic Formation and Director of Pastoral Ministry, according to the diocese website, has stated that the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the St.Benedict Center,New Hampshire, can no longer be considered Catholic.
It may be mentioned that according to Archbishop Augustine Di Noia , Adjunct Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Vatican the "theological position regarding the principle Extra Ecclesiam Nullam [sic!] Salus" is unacceptable" for him since the Catechism of the Catholic Church n. 847 and 848 are exceptions.This has been posted on the diocese website.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
- Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
Those saved in invincible ignorance refer to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church, without faith and baptism(AG 7, LG 14) for the Secretaries of the CDF. So they become exceptions to the traditional strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).If they were invisible and unknown they could not be exceptions.
This is irrational since there are no such cases in 2019.
In his Doctrinal reply in 2016 Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior at the St. Benedict Center states that there are no personally known cases of people saved in invincible ignorance.They would only be known to God.
He meant possibilties are not real people in 2016.
He meant possibilties are not real people in 2016.
So he accepts being saved in invincible ignorance as hypothetical. A theoretical possibility but not a practical exception to EENS. This is common sense. There cannot be any literal case of someone saved outside the Church.
The popes and saints in over the centuries knew this when they referred to the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance.
But the CDF Secretaries interpret Lumen Gentium 8 etc as being exceptions to EENS. LG 8 only refers to a hypothetical cases and not someone personally known.So the CDF is irrational.
So with this irrationality Archbishop Di Noia and the CDF Secretary, Archbishop Morandi, create a rupture with EENS, the past exclusive ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and the Syllabus of Errors.Their doctrinal position is irrational, non traditional and heretical.Now they want Brother Andre Marie to also interpret Magisterial documents with this irrationality to be accepted legally as a Catholic.
C.J Doyle was interviewed recently by Michael Voris on the Vortex.He also affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. It is the same with Phil Lawler who teaches at the Thomas More College of Liberal Arts in New Hampshire. Legally they are not Catholics for the Diocese and the CDF.
Meanwhile Ellen Goodreau, Mary Ellen Mahon, Fr. Matthew Mason and others in the Curia interpret Vatican Council II and EENS assuming non existing people are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.So the dogma EENS as it was known to the Magisterium in the 16th century, is obsolete. They are legally Catholics.To be legal, Catholics have to use an irrationality a traditional interpretation of Magisterial documents. This would be expected also of young
Catholics who have a vocation to the religious life.
Catholics who have a vocation to the religious life.
—Lionel Andrades
The Quicumque
APRIL 23, 2019
[Her Grace, Mother Ellen Mahon] Diocese of Manchester Curia member says Slaves of Mary Immaculate Heart of Mary, at St.Benedict Center, N.H are 'no longer to be considered Catholic'
Edit: also, is Voris hedging his bets with this poor refutation of Father Feeney’s position? It’s
hard to take Jim Russel seriously when he can’t get simple details about Father Feeney’s biography correct:
Long after his death in 1978, Fr. Leonard Feeney remains a polarizing and controversial figure. While Feeney appears to have always sought the full embrace of Catholic truth, he was outside the full embrace of the Catholic Church from 1953 to 1972, excommunicated for refusing to obey his religious and hierarchical superiors. Mercifully, Feeney was eventually reconciled to the Church, spending the last years of his life in full communion with the Church. [Without recanting what the Church has always taught. As he was invited by the local ordinary, Father Feeney recited the beautiful Athanasian Creed which I reproduce below as part of the reconciliation ceremony.]
The Quicumque
Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the Catholic Faithis this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity. Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is all One, the Glory Equal, the Majesty Co-Eternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father Uncreate, the Son Uncreate, and the Holy Ghost Uncreate. The Father Incomprehensible, the Son Incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost Incomprehensible. The Father Eternal, the Son Eternal, and the Holy Ghost Eternal and yet they are not Three Eternals but One Eternal. As also there are not Three Uncreated, nor Three Incomprehensibles, but One Uncreated, and One Incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not Three Almighties but One Almighty.
AMDG
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