Edit: Voris was defending the dogma long before this.
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The Friends of Saint Benedict Center today are applauding the courageous decision of Michael Voris and ChurchMilitant.com to publicly defend the Saint Benedict Center in Richmond, New Hampshire---a religious community of faithful Catholics struggling to preserve their traditional apostolate in the face of heavy handed attempts by the troubled Diocese of Manchester to suppress them and to close down their beloved Immaculate Heart of Mary School.
In a series of four episodes of “The Vortex,” beginning on Thursday, April 11th, and continuing through Tuesday of Holy Week, April 16th, Voris provided comprehensive coverage of the unjust persecution which the members and supporters of the Saint Benedict Center have been forced to endure at the hands of diocesan bureaucrats in Manchester.
In the first Vortex on April 11th, Voris offered a vigorous defense of the necessity of the Catholic Faith for salvation, embodied in the traditional and thrice defined dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus---Outside the Church there is no salvation.
Voris, in the second episode on April 12th, gave his viewers a thoughtful presentation on the life and work of the late Father Leonard Feeney, debunking many of the myths associated with that heroic priest.
On April 15th, Voris interviewed Brother Andre Marie, Prior of the Saint Benedict Center, who told of the devastating trauma which diocesan decrees have inflicted not only upon the Brothers and Sisters of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, but upon the parents, teachers and students of Immaculate Heart of Mary School. Poignantly, Brother Andre spoke of the open door of the empty tabernacle in their chapel, after the diocese forbade them from keeping the Blessed Sacrament there.
In the same episode, Voris also interviewed C. J. Doyle of the Friends of Saint Benedict Center, who raised the question of why, at a time of so much scandal, dissent and corruption in the Church, is the Diocese of Manchester targeting for destruction a group of innocent, unoffending traditional Catholics who are bringing souls into the Church. Doyle also recounted the troubled history of the scandal plagued Manchester diocese.
In a separate segment, Voris gave his viewers the opportunity to watch the entire interview with Brother Andre, who gave a forthright and detailed narrative on the history of the Center, its doctrinal position, and its relationship with the hierarchy.
In the final episode on April 16th, Voris offered his viewers the simple testimony of the Brothers and Sisters of Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, all of whom spoke of their desire to serve Our Lord and Our Lady by saving souls.
C. J. Doyle, spokesman for the Friends of Saint Benedict Center, made the following comment: “Michael Voris is not only to be commended for possessing the theological virtue of Faith, but for possessing, in abundance, and acting upon, the cardinal virtues of fortitude and justice. At a time when Church bureaucrats combine with the secular media and the anti-Christian bigots of the Southern Poverty Law Center to destroy a community of traditional Catholics, it is heartening and encouraging that a Catholic media voice with the range, influence and unquestioned orthodoxy of ChurchMilitant is willing to counter callous lies with a vigorous defense of the truth.”
“The Friends of Saint Benedict Center wish to extend their profound gratitude to Michael Voris and to the entire staff of ChurchMilitant.com.”
The Friends of Saint Benedict Center is an organization of concerned lay Catholics who have come together to provide moral and material support for the Brothers and Sisters of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to advocate for them in the public square, and to oppose the unjust attempts by the Diocese of Manchester to suppress them and their apostolate.
If you wish to support the Saint Benedict Center in their valiant struggle to continue their apostolate, please click the link below.
Modernist heresy and Catholic orthodoxy cannot coexist, and more than Lucifer and the Blessed Mother can coexist.
When Modernist heresy is protected (Women Religious visitation) and Catholic orthodoxy is persecuted mercilessly (FFI), what does that say about those tasked with leading us Faithful into fair fields, green pastures, still waters?
We have been warned. Act accordingly. We live in a war zone. Sad, but true.
Legally Bishop Peter Libasci, Bishop of Manchester, USA cannot say invisible cases of LG 8, LG 16,UR 3 etc in Vatican Council II are physically visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church and then call himself Catholic. This is subterfuge.A lie. What are the names and surnames of non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church, without faith and baptism ? There are none. -Lionel Andrades
APRIL 20, 2019 Brother Andre Marie MICM has referred to the Sacred Magisterium. However Vatican Council II, Redemptoris Missio and Dominus Iesus are all written with Cushingite philosophy and theology, which creates error. This error is not magisterial https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/brother-andre-marie-micm-has-referred.html
APRIL 20, 2019 The Athanasius Creed is obsolete for Bishop Peter Libasci, the Bishop of Manchester, USA and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF).Since for them invisible cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are practical examples of salvation outside the Church and so they are literal exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). There is salvation outside the Church for them. The Athanasius Creeds says outside the Church there is no salvation https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-athanasius-creed-is-obsolete-for.html
APRIL 20, 2019 Now is the time for the SSPX to let us know their doctrinal beliefs which they profess before the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), privately. They could explain their position using the SBC model. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/now-is-time-for-sspx-to-let-us-know.html
@Catholic Mission: The Good Theif died without baptism of water. God reserves the Right to make exceptions to the general rule. The Good Theif was an Egyptian pagan. We know that to be probable because in the "Book of Mary", which was written in Copt, that the Good Theif was part of a group of bandits that wanted to rob and murder Mary and Joseph in the desert. But upon seeing the Child Jesus and something in the way He looked, the Theif backed off and dissuaded his fellow robbers to back off. Mary and Joseph told him that God owed him a Grace, and will return the favor.
The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says all need to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation. We do not know of any Dismas, Good Thief, this year. Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation (AG 7). There are no known cases of any one saved outside the Church, since 1965. So the Good Thief is not an exception to the dogma EENS.He is not relevant. Knowing that we cannot meet or see someone saved outside the Church it would be unethical to project the Good Thief as a known exception. Lionel
APRIL 22, 2019 HLI continues with unethical, dishonest policy https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/hli-continues-with-unethical-dishonest.html
APRIL 17, 2019 Comments on Michael Voris' visit to the St. Benedict Center the same as Christine Niles Mic'd Up program on extra ecclesia nulla salus https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/comments-on-michael-voris-visit-to-st_17.html
APRIL 17, 2019 Doctrinal Beliefs of the St.Benedict Center with comments : Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church affirm traditional EENS https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/doctrinal-beliefs-of-stbenedict-center.html
The Good Theif died before Pentacost, under the Old Law. Baptism wasn't necessary for him or the Holy Innocents. Our Lord mentioned Paradise (abode of the dead) not Heaven.
April 23, 2019 Curia member of the Diocese of Manchester, USA indicates C.J Doyle and Phil Lawler in the diocese of Manchester, N.H are also not Catholic.
According to Mary Ellen Mahon Cabinet Secretary for Catholic Formation and Director of Pastoral Ministry, according to the diocese website, has stated that the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the St.Benedict Center,New Hampshire, can no longer be considered Catholic. It may be mentioned that according to Archbishop Augustine Di Noia , Adjunct Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Vatican the "theological position regarding the principle Extra Ecclesiam Nullam [sic!] Salus" is unacceptable" for him since the Catechism of the Catholic Church n. 847 and 848 are exceptions.This has been posted on the diocese website. 847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those saved in invincible ignorance refer to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church, without faith and baptism(AG 7, LG 14) for the Secretaries of the CDF.So they become exceptions to the traditional strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).If they were invisible and unknown they could not be exceptions. This is irrational since there are no such cases in 2019. In his Doctrinal reply in 2016 Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior at the St. Benedict Center states that there are no personally known cases of people saved in invincible ignorance.They would only be known to God. He meant possibilties are not real people in 2016. So he accepts being saved in invincible ignorance as hypothetical. A theoretical possibility but not a practical exception to EENS. This is common sense. There cannot be any literal case of someone saved outside the Church. The popes and saints in over the centuries knew this when they referred to the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance. But the CDF Secretaries interpret Lumen Gentium 8 etc as being exceptions to EENS. LG 8 only refers to a hypothetical cases and not someone personally known.So the CDF is irrational. So with this irrationality Archbishop Di Noia and the CDF Secretary, Archbishop Morandi, create a rupture with EENS, the past exclusive ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and the Syllabus of Errors.Their doctrinal position is irrational, non traditional and heretical.Now they want Brother Andre Marie to also interpret Magisterial documents with this irrationality to be accepted legally as a Catholic. C.J Doyle was interviewed recently by Michael Voris on the Vortex.He lso affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. It is the same with Phil Lawler who teaches at the Thomas More College of Liberal Arts in New Hampshire.Legally they are not Catholics for the Diocese and the CDF. Meanwhile Ellen Goodreau, Mary Ellen Mahon, Fr. Matthew Mason and others in the Curia interpret Vatican Council II and EENS assuming non existing people are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.So the dogma EENS as it was known to the Magisterium in the 16th century, is obsolete. They are legally Catholics.To be legal, Catholics have to use an irrationality a traditional interpretation of Magisterial documents.This would be expected also of young Catholics who have a vocation to the religious life.-Lionel Andrades
Diocese of Manchester Curia member says Slaves of Mary Immaculate Heart of Mary, at St.Benedict Center, N.H are 'no longer to be considered Catholic' https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/diocese-of-manchester-curia-member-says.html
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Modernist heresy and Catholic orthodoxy cannot coexist, and more than Lucifer and the Blessed Mother can coexist.
When Modernist heresy is protected (Women Religious visitation) and Catholic orthodoxy is persecuted mercilessly (FFI), what does that say about those tasked with leading us Faithful into fair fields, green pastures, still waters?
We have been warned. Act accordingly. We live in a war zone. Sad, but true.
Is Voris get converted?
I think I recall Voris being an unapologetic supporter of the Dogma since 2010.
nice post
Legally Bishop Peter Libasci, Bishop of Manchester, USA cannot say invisible cases of LG 8, LG 16,UR 3 etc in Vatican Council II are physically visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church and then call himself Catholic.
This is subterfuge.A lie.
What are the names and surnames of non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church, without faith and baptism ?
There are none.
-Lionel Andrades
APRIL 20, 2019
Brother Andre Marie MICM has referred to the Sacred Magisterium. However Vatican Council II, Redemptoris Missio and Dominus Iesus are all written with Cushingite philosophy and theology, which creates error. This error is not magisterial
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/brother-andre-marie-micm-has-referred.html
APRIL 20, 2019
The Athanasius Creed is obsolete for Bishop Peter Libasci, the Bishop of Manchester, USA and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF).Since for them invisible cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are practical examples of salvation outside the Church and so they are literal exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). There is salvation outside the Church for them. The Athanasius Creeds says outside the Church there is no salvation
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-athanasius-creed-is-obsolete-for.html
APRIL 20, 2019
Now is the time for the SSPX to let us know their doctrinal beliefs which they profess before the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), privately. They could explain their position using the SBC model.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/now-is-time-for-sspx-to-let-us-know.html
@Catholic Mission: The Good Theif died without baptism of water. God reserves the Right to make exceptions to the general rule. The Good Theif was an Egyptian pagan. We know that to be probable because in the "Book of Mary", which was written in Copt, that the Good Theif was part of a group of bandits that wanted to rob and murder Mary and Joseph in the desert. But upon seeing the Child Jesus and something in the way He looked, the Theif backed off and dissuaded his fellow robbers to back off. Mary and Joseph told him that God owed him a Grace, and will return the favor.
The Good Theif died without baptism of water.
The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says all need to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation. We do not know of any Dismas, Good Thief, this year.
Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation (AG 7). There are no known cases of any one saved outside the Church, since 1965.
So the Good Thief is not an exception to the dogma EENS.He is not relevant.
Knowing that we cannot meet or see someone saved outside the Church it would be unethical to project the Good Thief as a known exception.
Lionel
APRIL 22, 2019
HLI continues with unethical, dishonest policy
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/hli-continues-with-unethical-dishonest.html
APRIL 17, 2019
Comments on Michael Voris' visit to the St. Benedict Center the same as Christine Niles Mic'd Up program on extra ecclesia nulla salus https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/comments-on-michael-voris-visit-to-st_17.html
APRIL 17, 2019
Doctrinal Beliefs of the St.Benedict Center with comments : Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church affirm traditional EENS https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/doctrinal-beliefs-of-stbenedict-center.html
The Good Theif died before Pentacost, under the Old Law. Baptism wasn't necessary for him or the Holy Innocents. Our Lord mentioned Paradise (abode of the dead) not Heaven.
April 23, 2019
Curia member of the Diocese of Manchester, USA indicates C.J Doyle and Phil Lawler in the diocese of Manchester, N.H are also not Catholic.
According to Mary Ellen Mahon Cabinet Secretary for Catholic Formation and Director of Pastoral Ministry, according to the diocese website, has stated that the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the St.Benedict Center,New Hampshire, can no longer be considered Catholic.
It may be mentioned that according to Archbishop Augustine Di Noia , Adjunct Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Vatican the "theological position regarding the principle Extra Ecclesiam Nullam [sic!] Salus" is unacceptable" for him since the Catechism of the Catholic Church n. 847 and 848 are exceptions.This has been posted on the diocese website.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those saved in invincible ignorance refer to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church, without faith and baptism(AG 7, LG 14) for the Secretaries of the CDF.So they become exceptions to the traditional strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).If they were invisible and unknown they could not be exceptions.
This is irrational since there are no such cases in 2019.
In his Doctrinal reply in 2016 Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior at the St. Benedict Center states that there are no personally known cases of people saved in invincible ignorance.They would only be known to God.
He meant possibilties are not real people in 2016.
So he accepts being saved in invincible ignorance as hypothetical. A theoretical possibility but not a practical exception to EENS. This is common sense. There cannot be any literal case of someone saved outside the Church.
The popes and saints in over the centuries knew this when they referred to the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance.
But the CDF Secretaries interpret Lumen Gentium 8 etc as being exceptions to EENS. LG 8 only refers to a hypothetical cases and not someone personally known.So the CDF is irrational.
So with this irrationality Archbishop Di Noia and the CDF Secretary, Archbishop Morandi, create a rupture with EENS, the past exclusive ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and the Syllabus of Errors.Their doctrinal position is irrational, non traditional and heretical.Now they want Brother Andre Marie to also interpret Magisterial documents with this irrationality to be accepted legally as a Catholic.
C.J Doyle was interviewed recently by Michael Voris on the Vortex.He lso affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. It is the same with Phil Lawler who teaches at the Thomas More College of Liberal Arts in New Hampshire.Legally they are not Catholics for the Diocese and the CDF.
Meanwhile Ellen Goodreau, Mary Ellen Mahon, Fr. Matthew Mason and others in the Curia interpret Vatican Council II and EENS assuming non existing people are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.So the dogma EENS as it was known to the Magisterium in the 16th century, is obsolete. They are legally Catholics.To be legal, Catholics have to use an irrationality a traditional interpretation of Magisterial documents.This would be expected also of young Catholics who have a vocation to the religious life.-Lionel Andrades
Diocese of Manchester Curia member says Slaves of Mary Immaculate Heart of Mary, at St.Benedict Center, N.H are 'no longer to be considered Catholic'
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/diocese-of-manchester-curia-member-says.html
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