Edit: I can vouch for this.
Why is a gay subculture being tolerated within some traditionalist circles? Groups like Gay Traditionalist Catholic and Liturgy Queens are for active homosexuals, who favor the pomp and pageantry of the Traditional Latin Mass but choose to live a homosexual lifestyle.
One concerned Catholic recently shared his concerns about this grave problem with Church Militant:
This is a very common problem in the choir loft. I'm a professional music director and I can say confidently that music at many TLMs is directed by gays. In most cases the laity are completely unaware and praise their highly qualified and capable musicians, but the clergy are absolutely aware in every case I personally know of. It's absolutely scandalous. ... Furthermore, to show how widespread this issue is, it even extends into the annual CMAA Sacred Music Colloquium. One individual in particular is an extremely well-known, flamboyant, active, practicing homosexual who is frequently described by others at the colloquium as "absolutely oozing gayness." His lifestyle and flawed beliefs are known to all involved. Yet he is invited to play, conduct, sing and teach at this colloquium regularly. Others at the colloquium just shrug it off because he is such a talented and respected musician who leads the music program at one of the nation's largest Episcopal parishes.
AMDG
Years ago on as new parishioners we went on a pilgrimage with SSPX. A man from the choir sat with us and confided how he uncomfortable he felt. He told us some of the parishioners looked at him as if he was the devil. He was very effeminate in his gestures.I asked him if it was because he was gay. "Yes", he replied.
ReplyDeleteNow I see he is on the internet and a priest Ordained into the FSSP. Michael Voris even interviewed him because he is a TLM pastor and I see he also gives Retreats for men to teach them how to be men!
TLM FSSP Catholics......enjoy your music and your former opera singer priests
Name the priest... because you decided to slander the FSSP, a deliberate sin on your part, in order to make a point.
DeletePrevious comment - what an evil thing to do, to publicly out him like that - especially when he entrusted you with his suffering. Editors of this site, please remove this comment.
ReplyDeleteI doubt Tancred will remove that comment. Christians dont want effeminates and/or sodomites in their midst. He should fix him self, not indulge in self pity.
DeleteI have no idea who that priest is, but you know what would really be evil? Being a sodomite and becoming a priest. Out them and remove them all. They are cancer on the Church.
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DeleteHe wasn't outed since no name was given. This should be looked into though by the superior of the FSSP. We don't need sodomites in any traditional order.
DeleteAnthony
We know since long that the number one problem with the priests who abuse children is that they are homosexual. Indeed as many as 85 % of the abused children are boys, mainly post pubescent boys.
ReplyDeleteTherefore it is highly probable that if this priest is an active sodomite who is in contact with innocent children he will predate on boys, soon or later. It is a duty for the catholic parents to keep an eye on him and cautiously warn their own children about the abuses though without specifically naming this priest. If suspicious facts emerge, then another duty is to expose him to his hierarchy. If the hierarchy remains lax, due to a probable coverup (or, sad to say, an homosexual bishop), then switch to another parish and write to the nuncio.
The EVIL HERE WAS THE FACT these men were even Ordained !
ReplyDeleteThe Seminary Rectors who accepted them were going by Benedict's nonsense about deep rooted tendencies !
Anyone who is a sodomite can and usually does lie about that when seeking admittance.
Vox brings up a good point when he asks how marriage can be annulled based on Improper Intention but deviant sexuality is passed over when it comes to the Reception of Holy Orders.
Two thoughts:
ReplyDeleteModern church music is the product of a competition that arose during the Reformation between Catholics and Protestants for membership. The profane displaced the sacred in a bid to tickle the ears of the laity. The ornate and expensive organs and professional musicians have long been a corrupting influence.
Modern traditionalist thought, exemplified in Julius Evola, hearkens to a PRE-CHRISTIAN tradition. This has abetted an infiltration of a sodomistic, closet paganism that is only superficially Catholic -- exactly where Freemasonry wanted things to go. Few in the Church have any sense of a true Catholic tradition today.
To the poster who believes outing the sodomite priests is evil,
ReplyDeleteWhat is preferable? Waiting for said "priest " to corrupt innocents?
One Catholic lawyer stated 90% of adolescent males do not report their abuse. Bishops punish priests who do speak out about the perverts they reside with in rectories
Is it better to stand by and watch the Priesthood die out?
Almost 20 years ago some musical friends, my husband and I started a small schola to sing at Mass and concerts. As time went by, we began wondering about the man we'd chosen as director. This man, a former seminarian, was totally quiet about his personal life. But eventually we figured things out.....It was obvious one day at rehearsal that he and his tenor "friend" had had a lover's tiff. And then one day at Mass a good priest spoke clearly and with great charity about marital chastity and homosexuality, etc., in his homily. I can still see the director fuming and was almost afraid to look at him. He left not long after that and went public. The poor parents of his tenor "friend" were still at daily Mass for years; they must have suffered so much - as did their son. He came to see us one day and I prayed with him in our garden and entrusted him to Our Lady. I have no idea where or how he is, but I hope he has turned back to God.
ReplyDeleteYep, they get mad when you disparage their sacrament.
ReplyDeleteDeviant clandestine homosexual lifestyles are systemic in a number of the JP II 'New Evangelization' religious movements. One by one they are being investigated, cult leaders isolated from members and eventually the organizations are either totally reformed or disbanded. The Legionaries are a stand out example. There are many others in line.....
ReplyDeleteNobody minds the ones that are mainstreamed, like desiccated, rotting Benedictines at Sant’Anselmo who play around with Ennegram and host yoga retreats.
DeleteAh. The trad circular firing squad: the demons laugh.
ReplyDeleteYou can be a sodomite if you want in the West. No one’s stopping you, in fact, you’re treated like you’re a precious princess when you’re really a radioactive piece of slag.
DeleteYou guys are so nasty. The first comment said nothing about the priest being a sodomite just that he was gay. He is probably a very chaste and holy priest who does not deserve to be spoken about in this way. Stop judging - Our Lord has some very clear things to say about people who judge: "let him who is without sin cast the first stone". I bet there is not one of the previous people who left comments who has never committed a sexual sin! It might be more Christian to stop judging and pray for priests.
ReplyDeleteHe doesn’t belong in priestly ministry.
DeleteWell if you want to talk sodomy, let's talk masturbation. The Catholic Church teaches that both are mortal sins, both deserving of hell. Since there is a very high chance that every man who has commented here has masturbated - then they might be better off doing serious penance rather than wasting their time on criticising other mortal sinners!
ReplyDeleteFalse equivalence.
DeleteThe Trads and their allies, the PJ II and B XVI camp followers have made the fatal mistake of thinking that the Heinz Mass of Pius V, the Tridentine Catechism, the 1917 Code of Canon Law and the pre-1962 Missale Romanum combined amount to the fulness of revelation.
ReplyDeleteAnd Jesus forgot to make James Martin his thirteenth Apostle.
DeleteCompared to the true Mass, the Bugnini-Montini concoction, the 'Boomer Mass' is laughably inferior, and not clearly Catholic.
DeleteMasturbation vs sodomy......both mortal sins but one cries to Heaven for God's vengeance and has been the cause of the entire destruction of cities by God Himself.
ReplyDeleteThe latter destroys innocents as the perpetrators are attracted to young boys and adolescents. It leaves the victim in a perpetual state of confusion about their own gender ,many of who commit suicide and it shatters their Faith building a barrier for true repentance.
Sodomy destroys entire societies and eventually civilizations. It certainly is destroying the institutional church.
Just noticed here that Michael Ortiz is also on vox posting lies about the work of Mrs Engel and defending Opus Dei.
ReplyDeleteHow very telling..........
Telling? Yes in that I don’t like seeing slandering unchecked.
DeleteAt least I have the guts to use my real name.
How was this a slander? No one was named. The little twerp can resign without anyone being the wiser when he decides to do the right thing.
DeleteHow does a sodomite make a good Act of Contrition promising to "Avoid the near occasion of Sin" when moving into an all male seminary or Religious Order ?
ReplyDeleteOne priest likened it to a hetero male moving into a Brothel.
Have the defenders of sodomites posting here all lost their collective minds having drank too much of the LGBTQ cultural Kool Aide?
Which commentator defended sodomites?
ReplyDeleteThe ones who are saying people who don’t want their clergy to be effeminate are bad, or saying that people who’ve ever sinned can’t criticize aberrosexuals for example, and now you.
Delete☩JMJ☩
ReplyDeleteAnyone who shows the least signs of effeminacy must be refused entrance into the seminary. Seriously people; bishops used to lead armies wearing armour in days more sane than ours. You have to be tough if you want to become a priest. A return to medieval forms of plainchant with rough crusader-like voices would help alot in forging the right mindset in young men discerning the clerical state.
And that downright sodomites must be refused entrance is something that any sane person can understand. Sodomites must not touch the Most Sacred Victim of the Altar, and they must not be allowed to be near children.
Really, at this point we need to have zero tolerance for homosexuality in the priesthood, even if the man is chaste. We just don't need this degree of volatility. That seems pretty obvious to me.
ReplyDeleteLouise
So a person with homosexual tendencies cannot confess, do penance and amend their lives? Maybe heterosexual priests should avoid all contact with women lest they sin.
ReplyDeleteLots of folks here deny God's grace and mercy as well the ability to convert one's life. Glad these folks are not our Lord Jesus Christ
With all DUE respect.
DeleteIs this another one of Gaybrielles sock puppets?
While heaven isn’t barred to serious and even notorious sinners, the bar to the priesthood is a little higher.
Mubaraka w shukran, Abouna Khouri, for reintroducing Jesus Christ into this 'conversation.' The Catholic East has not lost its soul to Jansenism, Donatism and their many soul destroying ideologies.
ReplyDeleteThanks Fr Khouri and Michael Oritz for your sane logic, and ability to distinguish between temptation and sin.
ReplyDeleteSome of the commentators on here need to read the lives of St Philip Neri, St Aelred and St Alphonsus, who were almost certainly gay but very definitely chaste.
Look at photos and video footage of Pope Emeritus Benedict, Pius XII, John XXIII, Archbishop Fulton Sheen - to name a few, all very effeminate men who loved dressing up and being a bit odd, and the centre of attention (well maybe not Benedict). I'm guessing that most people on this site would think they're gay. Maybe they are, maybe not, it doesn't matter, they were/are almost certainly good and holy men.
Met thinks that a lot of people on here doth protest way too much.
Seminaries already have too many whoopsies.
DeleteYes, that's right,accuse the saints of being guilty of the sins you seem to be so interested in. Does that soothe your conscience? Yeah we're just making too big a deal about men sodomizing each other and little boys. Shame on us. If only we were as tolerant as you are about perversion and unnatural acts.
DeleteFr Khouri, unless and until one is not normal (as God wills it, i.e. hetero) one shouldn't even think of becoming a priest. God does not want deviants in his service. There is also undeniable connection between homosexuality and child abuse. You cannot ignore these things! Ofcourse God's grace can heal a man from any evil, but we are talking about homosexuals who think they are made that way and have no need of repentance and conversion.
ReplyDeleteAccording to information compiled by credible, reputable psychologists and social researchers such as Richard Sipe 60-80% of priests (that includes bishops) in the USA and most likely elsewhere are homosexuals (orientation) though the majority are probably chaste.
ReplyDeleteIt is a high probability that those who are shouting the loudest about gays in the priesthood are themselves as camp as a row of tents and just deflecting attention to their own private hypocrisy and public hubris.
You’re just describing yourself, “Father”.
ReplyDeleteThe substantial majority of the clergy are not only Aberrosexual, but heretic as well.
You believe as you pray.
Just like I said Tancred. All those hundreds of thousands of priests are not the only 'aberrosexuals' Tancred. The tag fits perfectly with those who shout the loudest about it. They are the real drama queens.
ReplyDeleteQED.
Is that what respectable catamites say, “Father”?
DeleteYou have the advantage in the catamite department, Tancred.
ReplyDeleteYou’ve mastered all of their self-justifications and recriminations.
ReplyDeleteYou don’t know anything about me.
Michael Ortiz ,
ReplyDeleteMrs Engel slanders n one in her expose concerning an Opus Dei Numerary employed in an OD school in Spain who used his alleged spiritual direction time to sodomize a boy in the school.
"THIS IS TRULY A HORROR STORY OF VATICAN AND OPUS DEI CRUCIFIXION OF A YOUNG SPANISH STUDENT AT GAZTELUETA SCHOOL IN SPAIN"
https://abyssum.org/2018/04/13/this-is-truly-a-horror-story-of-vatican-and-opus-dei-crucifixion-of-a-young-spanish-student-at-gaztelueta-school-in-spain/
Mr Ortiz you should come clean here and admit you too are employed by Opus Dei at their Heights School in DC.
and are here to defend an Opus Dei Numerary pederast.
https://heights.edu/faculty/ortiz/
You've hoisted yourself well and truly on your own petard Tancred. But even more sadly, the ideological warfare you are waging against your fellow Catholics who don't share your point of view on Church, Pope Francis, theology etc, has almost totally isolated you and your fellows. You have emphatically stated that not only are 'a substantial majority of clergy 'aberrosexual, but heretic as well.' That leaves you with the clerics you think you can trust when they, probably more than the others you accuse, are homosexuals or so affected that way that they are in fact almost completely compromised. Furthermore, you're almost out of 'orthodox' teachers now.
ReplyDeleteWhat a miserable existence you have carved out for yourself. Get help.
BTW, you are way off the mark on the "Father" and the homosexual inferences but the fact that you find these handles useful saves thinking.
Fr Kourie,
ReplyDeleteDefending homosexuals ,even so called chaste ones, as having a true vocation is nonsense.
Anyone with an inclination towards sodomy defies the Natural Law and therefore has an abnormal perspective on the Word of God.
One can ONLY conclude you have studied and prescribe to very different Scriptural Texts than the rest of us.
May I humbly suggest you go back to school
https://www.openbible.info/topics/sodomy
Richard Sipe, Donald Cozzens and many other eminent people in the areas of social research and ecclesiastical culture have published extensively on the sexual orientation of priests. Their findings are that somewhere between 60-80%, may even more, of priests are of homosexual orientation. A large number of these clerics act on their inclination while most have integrated the orientation into their minds, spirits and patterns of behavior. These mane are chaste. Fr Khouri's advice is sound. Think before you jump to judgment and remember what the Gospel is all about.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 8:56 would do well to take that advice and stop rabbiting on with your self loathing.
Mr Collins.....
ReplyDeleteDo you defend your own?
Here's what some Saints had to say on the vice
https://onepeterfive.com/just-how-evil-is-sodomy-the-saints-weigh-in/
"There are many more such quotes from the saints – too many to include here. St. Bernardine of Siena offers perhaps the most succinct verdict on the issue:
“Just as people participate in the glory of God in different degrees, so also in hell some suffer more than others. He who lived with this vice of sodomy suffers more than another, for this is the greatest sin.” (Emphasis added)"
Progressive Clergy Intend to “Normalize” the Sin of Sodomy Luiz Sérgio Solimeo
ReplyDelete"Although any conscious surrender to lust is a mortal sin, some are graver than others. Adultery is graver than simple fornication; incest is graver than adultery; and sins against nature are graver still. Sins against nature are opposed to the purpose of sexual intercourse, and also are “contrary to the natural order of the venereal act as becoming to the human race.”
Since the practice of sodomy seriously undermines the moral order, it was included among those “sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance.” According to Scripture, these sins are voluntary homicide (Gen. 4:10); sodomy (Gen. 19:13); oppression of widows and orphans (Exod. 22:22ff.); and depriving workers of their just wage (Deut. 24:17ff.; James 5:4).”2
“Who am I to judge?” Opens the Way
At this time of the papal statement “Who am I to judge?” and of Amoris Laetitiae, progressive clergy, including bishops and cardinals, intend to “normalize” not only adultery but homosexual practice as well."
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12dfS75x_UY
Very sad to read alleged Catholics defending clerical pederasts and sodomites just because they either belong to a cult like organization or because they claim to be a priest.
ReplyDeleteLooks like the Progressivists and Communists have done a wonderful job of brain washing the herd.
Id quod recipitur, recipitur per modum recipientis.
ReplyDeleteSo true!
Just shows that for all the magical powers you catholics invest in your priests, beneath all the silk, satin and lace is the same body with its untamed sex urges, (whether for women or men), as the rest of mankind. I suspect that bowing down to your priests and making them into precious cult figures, only makes their isolation and need for sex even stronger.
ReplyDeleteTo that guy quoting percentages... you expect that the percentage of sodomites and heretics in the clergy will somehow lead to acceptance of sodomy and heresy in the eyes of Gid and his Church? Nope, sorry.
ReplyDeleteJohn Collins, "Father"/Gaybriel etc... You've really hoisted yourself on your petard while scoring an own goal. I haven't found clerical progressives, who are usually aberrosexuals, to be particularly tolerant of us. They're oftentimes profoundly disturbed by traditional Catholic devotions, beliefs and practices to the point where it's hard to believe they aren't possessed, or vampires.
ReplyDeleteWhile these effeminate types create scandals and foster an ecclesial culture poisonous to faithful Catholics, it's not surprising that these Catholics will attempt to find the faith they discovered in literature, in the Fathers, in a monastery on retreat, elsewhere than those places where aberrosexual demons rule the roost.
"Just shows that for all the magical powers you catholics invest in your priests, beneath all the silk, satin and lace is the same body with its untamed sex urges, (whether for women or men), as the rest of mankind. I suspect that bowing down to your priests and making them into precious cult figures, only makes their isolation and need for sex even stronger."
ReplyDeleteNice try, but I don't think anyone ever said priests weren't men susceptible to sin. The fact of the matter is that many priest lead lives of quiet heroism, while those who sneer from the outside out of ignorance and prurience can only guess.
"Id quod recipitur, recipitur per modum recipientis.
ReplyDeleteSo true! "
Therefore anyone who objects to something he finds abhorrent, he must be guilty of it.
I have a different interpretation. Anyone who claims that people who object, for example, those who object to aberrosexual clergy in their seminaries, are themselves afflicted with the same malady, are not only ignorant of their target's sexual life and psychology, but really want to gain acceptance and public approval of sodomy by attempting to silence and shame any disapproval of it in the public square.
So not only do you stand to suffer a loss of your job, social status, and so on, but you could even be branded as mentally ill for not approving of sexual immorality and sins which cry out to heaven for vengeance.
There is a growing body of evidence that shows what should be for Trad Catholics an alarming level of mental illness among them. It appears that an ungoverned and moderated fixation on extremely doctrinaire ideology has a profound negative effect on thought processes and general mental stability. It has very little to do with single issues but rather a raft of matters on which Trads in particular (Politicians on the authoritarian far left such as North Korea are in the same category) that they have come to believe are intrinsically bound to their identity. Topic selection for blogs is a case in point.
ReplyDeleteThere is a growing body of evidence that shows modernist heretics are usually sodomites and esthethic barbarians.
DeleteTypical Stalinist mode of operation.
DeleteI found my way to this via Fr Blake's blog. I've never seen such vileness, anger, abuse, hatred, cruelty and thorough nastiness in the name of religion. If this is what "traditional" Catholics are really like, then Satan must be dancing for joy. Someone who knows Fr Blake needs to ask him to remove the link. Other bloggers need to unlink these creeps. This website is a clear example of hate crime, and definitely against the law here in the UK, and the law of Jesus Christ.
ReplyDeleteHere one can meet all sorts of people. If you know the Catholic faith you can discern who is Catholic here, and who is not. I assure you there some nasty non-Catholics here. The author of the blog allows everyone to write, so its all mixed up.
DeleteI’m a huge fan of the Bible.
DeleteSo much for free speech. Anyway, if we complain too much about public sinners who insist on calling themselves, pastors and choir directors, we might get our Masses taken away. Valuable literary converts might be taken away!! Oh dear!!
DeleteWhat kind of Catholic invokes unjust hate speech laws to defend his sexual hobby horse, or that of others? An anonymous one, perhaps?
Fr Khouri made exactly the same point further up this long thread. The mad dog bloody mindedness and unfocused rage by the 'Catholic' Plymouth Rock puritans against anybody outside their reinforced compound are almost unparalleled even in Trad blogdom. It's a case, I think, of profound insanity triggering even deeper pathologies.
ReplyDeleteYou’re kind of a one trick pony.
Delete> People who believe in good and evil have something to hide.
Anon at 4:21,
ReplyDeleteDo you think fighting heresy and sodomy is a pretty bussines? It never was and it never will be. As for hate crimes, not really sure what you're talking about...
Anon 4:21 doing a 'stage Boris' your inane, deviant comment validates the remarks of John Collins at 4:30 pm.
ReplyDeleteYour comment is really self-serving, 6:07.
DeleteStill on the bottle eh, Barnum. Who cares for clear thinking anyway, eh?
ReplyDeleteLet us end this hot debate with this quote:
ReplyDelete“No sin has greater power over the soul than the one of cursed sodomy, which was always detested by all those who lived according to God…. Such passion for undue forms borders on madness. This vice disturbs the intellect, breaks an elevated and generous state of soul, drags great thoughts to petty ones, makes [men] pusillanimous and irascible, obstinate and hardened, servilely soft and incapable of anything. Furthermore, the will, being agitated by the insatiable drive for pleasure, no longer follows reason, but furor…. Someone who lived practicing the vice of sodomy will suffer more pains in Hell than any one else, because this is the worst sin that there is.”
-Saint Bernardine of Siena
Still on the bottle, eh Barnum? But then, you never did care much for clear thinking did you Barnum, eh?
ReplyDelete
Delete"[T]hose shameful acts against nature, such as were committed in Sodom, ought everywhere and always to be detested and punished. If all nations were to do such things, they would be held guilty of the same crime by the law of God, which has not made men so that they should use one another in this way" (Confessions 3:8:15 [A.D. 400]).
This is a good quote to conclude the discussion:
ReplyDelete“All passions are dishonorable, for the soul is even more prejudiced and degraded by sin than is the body by disease; but the worst of all passions is lust between men… There is nothing, absolutely nothing more mad or damaging than this perversity.” (St. John Chrysostom, In Epistulam ad Romanos IV)
It's interesting to say the least a blog such as this one making common cause with Mr Voris (himself outed not so very long ago) and his organisation which so shamelessly denounced the Society of St Pius X.
ReplyDelete"Church Militant", Rorate, this blog, and a host of others are, at the end of the day, manifestations of a deep moral and spiritual (if not mental) derangement which the Rule of St Benedict calls "an evil zeal of bitterness, which separateth from God, and leads to hell".
You are, effectively, barring the door of repentance to those living immoral lives who might have listened to reason and a modicum of sympathy and Christian charity. You are leading souls to damnation, your own soul included, with this filth.
Repent and believe the Gospel, before it's too late.
P.S. How ironic that Google's algorithm has placed a mobile ad at the bottom of this combox: a dating site called Agnostic.com. Any sane person, thinking this blog to be representative of Catholicism or religion in general, would naturally run not walk to unbelief.
Do you have a dog in this fight?
DeleteI would really like to end this on a more edifying note, so I bring the word of our holy father, St. Augustin, to your attention:
ReplyDelete"Those offences which be contrary to nature are everywhere and at all times to be held in detestation and punished; such were those of the Sodomites, which should all nations commit, they should all be held guilty of the same crime by the divine law, which hath not so made men that they should in that way abuse one another. For even that fellowship which should be between God and us is violated, when that same nature of which He is author is polluted by the perversity of lust." (taken from Confessions)
Read it again. Let it sink in.
Yes, and it's bigger than your French poodle.
ReplyDeleteFrench Poodles are war dogs.
ReplyDeleteWoof
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