30 years of the Society of Saint Peter - new website
(Berne) The General House of the FSSP has a new website.
On the occasion of the 30th anniversary of its founding, the Fraternal Society of St. Peter (FSSP), established in 1988, presents itself on the Internet with a new image. The initiative comes from the General House of the Ecclesia Dei Community, which is located in Friborg, Switzerland. The founding date is July 18, 1988, when twelve priests and seminarians completed the foundation in the Swiss Abbey of Hauterive in the canton of Friborg.
The website provides information about the traditional community, introduces the Superior General and his assistants as well as the various districts.
As a "joint mission" of the Society, the site says:
"This communal mission has a twofold aspect: first, the sanctification and formation of priests in the traditional liturgy commonly called the Extraordinary Form of the Roman rite. Second, the care of souls and the pastoral work of priests in the service of the Church.”
The Superior General is Fr. John Berg. He is assisted by Father José Calvin, Fr. Patrick du Faÿ de Choisinet (at the same time Rector of the Seminary of St. Peter in Wigratzbad) and Fr. Andrzej Komorowski (at the same time General Treasurer), and Fr. John Brancich and Fr. Josef Bisig as counselors. The Office of the Secretary-General currently is exercised by P. Arnaud Evrat. German-speaking district superior is P. Bernhard Gerstle.
The worldwide offices and apostolates of the Brotherhood are listed and should be clearly displayed on an interactive map. The latter does not work, however. With reworks is therefore to be expected
Today, the Brotherhood of St. Peter has 287 priests and 150 seminarians. Its affiliated Confraternity St. Peter includes almost 6,000 laymen.
Text: Giuseppe Nardi
Image: fssp.org (screenshot)
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
AMDG
35 comments:
May their "tribe" increase as rapidly as possible!
They are Novus Ordo through and through--too bad they never got their own bishop in the Apostolic Succession of the Roman Catholic Rite.
This is why Archbishop Lefebvre ordained four bishops for the SSPX on June 30, 1988 - so the Catholic priesthood and traditional sacraments would be perpetuated. The FSSP has everything the SSPX does - except bishops. Thus, they are dependent on the local bishop.
Actually they are dependent on the local non-bishop, consecrated according to the invalid novus ordo rite. As such, their ordinations are also invalid, despite their good intentions, correct ceremonies and splendid vestments. It is a tragedy that so many decent people have been conned in this way.
FSSP priests.
JUNE 16, 2018
Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).FSSPX priests do not want to discuss this http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/vatican-council-ii-does-not-contradict_16.html
JUNE 16, 2018
He is declared excommunicated but Vatican Council II is in agreement with Fr. Leonard Feeney's 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/he-is-declared-excommunicated-but.html
JUNE 16, 2018
Vatican Council II supports the 'black and white position' on 'the Church's true teaching that "outside the Church there is no salvation"
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/vatican-council-ii-supports-black-and.html
JUNE 16, 2018
The Case of Fr. Leonard Feeney -No exceptions are mentioned in Vatican Council II to traditional EENS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/the-case-of-fr-leonard-feeney-no.html
JUNE 16, 2018
Vatican Council II is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesia nulla salus(EENS) as Fr. Leonard Feeney understood it
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/vatican-council-ii-is-not-exception-to.html
JUNE 16, 2018
Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus irrespective of your opinion on Fr.Leonard Feeney
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/vatican-council-ii-does-not-contradict.html
JUNE 16, 2018
Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus - whatever may be your view of Pope Pius XII and Fr.Leonard Feeney
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/message-incomplete-things-are-really-bad.html
just got done reading the magnificent Biography of Marcel Lefebvre by Bp. Bernard Tissier de Mallerais...it is superb, and should be required reading for every Catholic on the planet.
May THEIR tribe increase.
Bullshit.
The biggest problem is that you can interpret the words of the Council to express many interpretations. But if a Council fails to speak clearly and allows many interpretations, it has failed its purpose. One clear thing Vatican II does teach clearly is in Dignitatis Humanae, wherein errors in moral and dogmatic thinking are not only to be tolerated, but are morally protected.
I have been a regular at an FSSP parish for going on three years. I have seen zero evidence of any whiff of Novusordoism in anything that happens thrre. Tridentine Mass twice daily and four times on Sunday. The homilies are orthodox and edifying. The faithful are serious about making it to Heaven, and our excellent pastors are working hard to assist us.
I wouldn't put it quite in those terms, but yes, the FSSP is part of the Vatican II deception.
Yes they interpret Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus with Cushingism instead of rational and traditional Feeneyism.But then so does the SSPX and all the priests who offer Mass in the vernacular.
JUNE 18, 2018
When the Vocations Director at Southwark, England says candidates with a religious vocation would have to hold the teaching summarised by the Latin expression extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) he is refering to EENS Cushingite and not EENS, Feeneyite
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/when-vocations-director-at-southwark.html
So why don't they interpret the Council with Feeneyism instead of Cushingis ? With Feeneyite Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Council will not be a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors. When the Council is not a break with the old ecclesiology of the Church, then it is easy to affirm the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation, with other religions considered false paths to salvation and there being the necessity of the non separation of Church and State. When there is the non separation of Church and State then at a practical level it can be decided how much freedom non Catholic religions would be granted in a papal state, a Catholic theocratic state, a state in which the center of all legislation is God as He is known in the Catholic Church and the center is not man, as in the present 'secular' states which can now can be seen to be Satanic.-Lionel
They are not permitted by the Vatican to affirm the traditional teachings of the Church.
Fr.Chad Ripperger and FSSP priests not permitted by the Vatican to affirm the traditional teaching on salvation
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2013/08/frchad-ripperger-rip-on-truth-of.html
The SSPX is a Protestant organization. They did exactly as the Heresiarchs of the Reformation, "Wahhh, wahhh, sniffles, we don't like what the Church is doing so we are going to start our OWN Church in our image, and do it right!" You don't think the Prots of the 16th Century looked remarkably like the genuine Roman Catholics? Protestantism is so sissy, and disobedient.
Bishop Robert McManus sent out a letter allowing his faithful to affirm nulla salus in it's strict interpretation. And he's novusordo.
And the Novus Ordo isn't sissy?
Bishop Robert McManus and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the St. Benedict Center, Still River, interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism. So the Council is a rupture with Feeneyite (EENS).
So even when the St. Benedict Center in his diocese says that they affirm EENS ( Feeneyite) it is meaningless since they contradict and negate it, like their bishop, with Vatican Council II and the Catechisms interpreted with Cushingism.
So the St.Benedict Center, Still River has been given canonical recognition by Bishop Robert McManus, since they have come into his diocese officially,rejecting the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS, like every one else including his Curia.
-Lionel
NOVEMBER 5, 2017
Worcester traditionalists have compromised on theology and doctrine for canonical recognition?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/worcester-traditionalists-have.html
DECEMBER 6, 2017
Charles Coulombe, Brother Andre Marie MICM and Brother Thomas Augustine MICM have been discussing the baptism of desire with reference to justification and salvation when there are no physically visible cases.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/charles-coulumbe-brother-andre-marie.html
DECEMBER 6, 2017
Charles Coulombe discusses the baptism of desire as if there are known cases in our reality
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/charles-coulombe-discusses-baptism-of.html
DECEMBER 6, 2017
Charles Coulombe could have said that there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/charles-coulombe-could-have-said-that.html
NOVEMBER 7, 2017
Bishop Robert J.McManus and Brother Thomas Augustine interpret Vatican Council II with the 'possibilities are exceptions' error since this was the mistake in Vatican Council II itself(LG 14 etc) http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/bishop-robert-jmcmanus-and-brother_7.html
NOVEMBER 10, 2017
NO CLARIFICATION OR RESPONSE FROM BISHOP ROBERT J.MCMANUS OR BROTHER THOMAS AUGUSTINE MICM ON CATHOLIC DOCTRINE : HOW DID THEY INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II AND EENS?
HTTP://EUCHARISTANDMISSION.BLOGSPOT.IT/2017/11/NO-CLARIFICATION-OR-RESPONSE-FROM.HTML
NOVEMBER 18, 2017
Theologically the St.Benedict Centers are rejecting the ecclesiology and salvation theology of Fr.Leonard Feeney and his times
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/theologically-thestbenedict-centers-are.html
DECEMBER 18, 2017
Brother Thomas Augustine MICM, Prior at the St. Benedict Center, Still River,MA, USA,a traditionalist, has compromised
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/brother-thomas-augustine-micm-prior-at.html
DECEMBER 19, 2017
Priors at the St.Benedict Centers will not affirm Feeneyite Vatican Council II opposed by their bishops.They continue to support Vatican Council II(Cushingite) which is a rupture with EENS(Feeneyite)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/priors-at-stbenedict-centers-will-not.html
James Joseph,
The St.Benedict Centers, in the diocese of Worcester and Manchester,USA may privately say that they do not affirm Vatican Council II (Cushingite).But in public they do not affirm Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) and they condone Vatican Council II(C) in the dioceses which is a rupture with EENS( F) which they do affirm.
So they accept that the whole diocese is rejecting EENS ( Feeneyite) with their Vatican Council II (Cushingite) and this is o.k with them.They condone it and seek canonical recognition.
If they affirmed Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) which would be in harmony with EENS( Feeneyite) they may not get that canonical recognition.
-Lionel
Comeback of the month.
It's hard to "celebrate" the FSSP when its inception was the excommunication of Archbishop Lefebvre for consecrating Catholic bishops. When one looks at the priests, bishops, cardinals and popes of the Novus Ordo one can only conclude that +Lefebvre will be declared a saint by those who put this apostasy to rest. Now, how could those who chose to go w/JP2 and Ratzinger, the excommunicators of Lefebvre, and be exalted at his (and those who remained faithful to Catholicism) expense, be celebrated (or their organization)? The FSSP will not be credited for keeping Catholicism alive, but for weakening, dividing and confusing the sheep.
Jesus Christ did not commend the priests or pharisees for their devotion to ritual and clothing that served but to glorify themselves and call attention to their own hyper goodness in comparison to other Jews (caste system). He condemned them for their legalistic twisting of His Commandments to support the exigencies of a corrupt hierarchy while taking pride in their own holiness which they believed would save themselves. Like any hypocrite, the more corrupt and lying they became on the inside by cooperating w/the corrupt hierarchy and mouthing the party line, the greater the outward show of dress and ritual and obsessing over gnats while ignoring camels. Those who were sincerely seeking God (Truth), like Nicodemus, Joseph of Arimathea & St. Paul, left. Those who stayed became betrayers of Jesus Christ, like Judas, and founders of a false religion, like VC2. The apostles were given a choice to stay w/High Priests or preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ setting an example for all priests which +Lefebvre followed.
Fast forward 30 years after +L's excom to an FSSP in communion w/those who call sodomites "families," give holy communion to adulterers, sodomites and those who do not hold the Catholic faith, who tell atheists, abortionists, communists, they are 'saved' w/out repentance, and who don't enforce moral laws such as modesty, celibacy, no use of artificial contraception etc., have more respect for the high priest (who will soon die and all his thoughts vanish) than for the almighty Triune God. And still they don't admit their mistake but continue to call a wolf, "shepherd" (same w/their flock!)!
Founded on the Feast of the Visitation (2 JUL) -- the sanctification of St. John the Baptist, who spent his entire life in the wilderness (And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Most High (GOD): for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways: To give knowledge of salvation to his people, unto the remission of their sins):
"but one desire: to be able to live as a religious society in this Church and place themselves at her service under the authority, of course, of the Roman Pontiff, her supreme head." — From the Declaration of Intention by the Founders (2 July 1988)[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priestly_Fraternity_of_Saint_Peter
Wonder if St. Peter will be coming out the pearly gates to lead them into Paradise or if the spirit of vatican 2 will be tossing them all into the fiery pits of hell for all eternity.
The FSSP do what they can for those in the conciliar church who want to maintain a semblance of tradition, but don't want to go to the SSPX or another independent chapel. The FSSP do try to do a good job of maintaining the traditional faith, though they have to put up with a lot of crap in doing so. In my experience, most of the FSSP priests are good, holy priests who strive to do good in a very difficult situation.
The SSPX are hardly distinguishable from the FSSP nowadays. They don't mention Modernism, except on a rare occasion. They should change their name, since they no longer fight against Modernism, but pretend like it isn't a real problem anymore. It used to be that the SSPX could be counted on to defend Tradition in the face of the Modernist and actions of Rome, but now they can't be bothered. Sad.
~M. Ray
Anon 9:59....long, sustained golf clap.
Easy choice in Ireland in that there is no real FSSP presence barring some diocesan parishes where some English priest offers Mass on a Sunday while the SSPX have a decent coverage of chapels where treading on particles on the host due to a church being mainly a Conciliar NOM parish, is not a concern. One of the younger priest in their Dun Laoghaire or Mounttown Priory rightly me that Communion at the NOM means giving assent to its ambiguities and errors. Sound men.
Sad that their efforts against the Referendum couldn't prevail against some rigging (leftist world traveller types with no likely right to vote encouraged to return and vote while older people bumped off the register) and a lot of V2 apostasy
The FSSP is compromise, and here's why:
The Fraternity of St. Peter is founded upon more than questionable principles, for the following reasons:
1. It accepts that the Conciliar Church has the power:
to take away the Mass of All Time (for the Novus Ordo Missae is not another form of this),
to grant it to those only who accept the same Conciliar Church’s novel orientations (in life, belief, structures),
to declare non-Catholic those who deny this by word or deed (An interpretation of "Everyone should be aware that formal adherence to the schism [of Archbishop Lefebvre] is a grave offense against God and carries the penalty of excommunication." Ecclesia Dei Afflicata), and,
to profess itself in a certain way in communion with anyone calling himself “Christian”, and yet to declare itself out of communion with Catholics whose sole crime is wanting to remain Catholic (Vatican II, e.g., Lumen Gentium, §15; Unitatis Redintegratio §3).
2. In practice, the priests of the Fraternity must have recourse to a Novus Ordo bishop willing to permit the traditional rites and willing to ordain their candidates. They reject the Novus Ordo Missae only because it is not their “spirituality” and claim the traditional Roman Mass only in virtue of their “charism” acknowledged to them by the pope. Note, for example, the Fraternity’s whole-hearted acceptance of the (New) Catechism of the Catholic Church (question 14), acceptance of Novus Ordo professors in their seminaries, and blanket acceptance of Vatican II’s orthodoxy (question 6).
This being so, attending their Mass demonstrates acceptance of:
the compromise on which they are based,
the direction taken by the Conciliar Church and the consequent destruction of the Catholic Faith and practices, and
in particular, the lawfulness and doctrinal soundness of the Novus Ordo Missae and Vatican II.
Further, I was counseled by a FSSP priest in Georgia, who demanded i MUST attend Novus Ordo if I didn't go to TLM.
^that, my friends, is one grain of incense.
Yes, the FSSP must accept compromise toward the conciliar church to a certain extent, but in a severe Crisis, like what we have been facing for quite a long time, it's understandable.
The Crisis situation is extremely abnormal, due to Rome being infected by Modernism. However, it's important to have recourse to the Sacraments. The FSSP at least offer the traditional sacraments. The FSSP are not allowed to speak out against Rome or the Vll Council; at least not in an overt manner. They do what they can within to bring the Sacraments to Catholics.
I've long thought that it's alright to have a traditional group both within and outside of the diocesan structure. The FSSP operates within the structure, and works with the limitations of the structure. The SSPX had always (for the most part) operated outside of the diocese. They were important because they spoke out against the abuses of the Modernism of Rome and the conciliar church. But they don't do this anymore. Now there are no large independent groups who fight against modernism in an overt manner, since the SSPX has been neutered. They are named after the saintly Pope who fought against Modernism, but they don't fight anymore. They just act as f Vatican 11 never happened, as the FSSP are forced to do.
~M. Ray
"The FSSP do try to do a good job of maintaining the traditional faith, though they have to put up with a lot of crap in doing so."
The FSSP like the Hasidic/Orthodox Jew or High Church Protestants of England keep alive a "tradition" but Elvis ain't in the building (He don't co-exist w/a lot of crap (i.e. Satan)).
https://www.gotquestions.org/high-church-low-church.html
"They (SSPX) just act as if Vatican II never happened, as the FSSP are forced to do."
Who is forcing them? Didn't God give them free will just like He did you and me? Won't they and we be judged on our pretenses (fake reality) same as the pharisees of Jesus' time, same as the bishops/ politicians of Henry VIII's (Fisher/More) time. Same as the Germans during Hitler etc. etc. etc. This is our time. Do we not know right from wrong? Good from evil?
"And when he drew near, seeing the city, he wept over it, saying: If thou also hadst known, and that in this thy day, the things that are to thy peace; but now they are hidden from thy eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, and thy enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and straiten thee on every side, And beat thee flat to the ground, and thy children who are in thee: and they shall not leave in thee a stone upon a stone: because thou hast not known the time of thy visitation."
God has allowed this terrible Crisis situation. We don't know why, exactly, though we can speculate that it's due to the sinfulness of mankind. It may be, too, that God wants to purify His Church.
In any case, we strive to do what is good and right. The problem of the Crisis, ultimately, will not be solved by men. We have to look to God for the solution.
How can you equate priests ordained by a novus ordo bishop who was consecrated to the novus ordo rite with priests ordained to the Roman Catholic rite by a bishop consecrated to the Roman Catholic Rite (old, traditional, true Rite)? How can a novus ordo bishop have the intention to do what the Church always does when they don't even know what that is? The FSSP does still have true Roman Catholic priests but they are getting older and are not all assigned to a parish.
If you think the FSSP parish is not novus ordo ask yourself the following questions: does your FSSP have to concelebrate at least once a year with the local bishop at the "Chrism Mass"? does any part of the collection go to the local diocese where the money can be used for any purpose determined by the novus ordo diocese? are you asked to support the formation of novus ordo priests for the diocese? does a novus ordo bishop confirm the FSSP parishioners?
As a very well-known FSSP priest said, "It's all about market-share". Wake up people and find true sacraments from true priests of the Roman Catholic Church!
The local FSSP do not concelebrate a "charism mass" with the local ordinary. The answer to your other questions, however, are in the affirmative. You aren't forced to go there though. You can go elsewhere, or perhaps you do not attend Mass at all?
That's "Chrism Mass", although it may be charismatic. Most bishops insist that all the priests of the diocese attend. Where does an FSSP parish priest obtain his "holy oils"?
And yes, I can and I do go elsewhere for the True Sacraments and no, I do not attend; I assist at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
Why doesn't the FSSP have a Bishop who is ordained & consecrated in the traditional rites pre-July 1968?
because they swallowed the conciliar poison. The first members were SSPX runaways, who signed on to the boobytrapped protocol. They will be destroyed....though they may be eaten last, they will be eaten.
Read the chapter "Operation Survival" in the biograpy "Marcel Lefebvre"....modernist Rome's devious machinations will come into sharp focus for you.
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