[ Info Vaticana] In an interview in the newspaper EL PAIS, the media spokesperson for the victims of Karadima recounts his private meetings with Pope Francisco: "Juan Carlos, that you are gay does not matter. God made you like that and he loves you like that and I do not care. The Pope wants you like that, you have to be happy with who you are."
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No mention of keeping the Ten Commandments. But then most of the priesthood now are sodomites & PF is doing his best to rewrite them to facilitate their perversity & to allow them to have their godless way of life blessed by the CC. It truly is an abomination made worse by the fact that the Hierarchy & Episcopate fully support him.
ReplyDeleteDon't you mean the "Ten Suggestions"?
DeleteAnother reason, all due to Pope Francis and his people, why I no longer go to the Catholic Church. If I go, it's to the Greek Orthodox Church. Not that they are much better, but liturgically they are, respect for the Blessed Sacrament they are, and their bishops don't preach that gay life is fine and God made them that way.
ReplyDeleteOne of my friends when to see the Dalai Lama give a speech, and even he said that gay lifestyle is wrong and against nature, but that people who were were not to be treated like lepers, etc. But he said it was wrong.
For a Pope like Francis to say that God made someone gay (implying that God approves of LGBT lifestyle etc.), is scandalous and an abomination.
I used to laugh off stories I read and contributions from others on Catholic sites that said they thought Pop Francis was the anti-Christ. I don't laugh at them anymore. He has to be.......or at least this is what is meant by the anti-Christ.
Damian Malliapalli
Really sad situation. Even Freud would call it incomplete sexual development. It isn't just the men. It is the women as well and they kill their babies.---Randi Weingarten is the president of the American Federation of Teachers. Her lesbian partner is a well known Jewish rabbi in New York City. They are after the children.---I just met a lesbian woman in my neighborhood. Turns out that she is a white homicide detective with service in the military. She is a wee lass.---Her black husband/wife is also a police officer. They have two black 5-6 year old sons. I have met the boys. They are aching for male role models.---- I was told by a woman walking her dogs that her husband served in the military with her. Now, I don't even know the gender of her husband. I told her about the two boys. She said that the boys will succeed because they have two good parents. That is what you are facing here. It is being mainstreamed and white males are the target.
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DeleteThe Orthodox have their own troubles too. Please consider the Eastern Catholic Churches. Since you're in the Philadelphia area, check out the Byzantine, Ukrainian or Melkite Greek Catholic churches in the area.
Our Lady and St. John are at the foot of the Cross. They want you to be there too. Don't run from the crucifixion of the Mystical Body of Christ.
Margaret
Been there done that , the Melkite Bishop Newton ,Mass. just hired our cross dressing former pastor from the Byzantine Ruthenians. We had three grossly disordered pastors out of five .One died, one went into the Orthodox and the other three were Danilak ,who was found dead in his kitchen of AIDS when the police arrived to finally arrest him after years of pedophilia,( a 10 yr old buried in Monmouth Cty NJ after he committed suicide) and there were other victims he sodomized in his Ocean Cty Md trailer. Google former EWTN 'Light from the East' star Michael Sopoliga and see his blog activities and complaints after he was relieved of his parish. Look up Fr Glenn
DeleteDavidovih ,who filmed parish boys scantily dressed in rectory basements with adult male porn stars, who was eventually defrocked. And finally the cross dresser who stole parish accounts and the expensive rectory furniture.Go see if you can still find the naked whale Fr Gera aka "Papa Bear" who was caught by RCF posting on St Steven's old gay cleric hook up site along with a Bishop Cawcutt.
I had similar troubles; for me, this is why the SSPX exists - a safe refuge in the storm.
DeleteNot all are safe there either.Dream on.
DeleteUrrutigoity Ensey, Marshall Roberts Hewko and Pfieffer spring to mind, not to mention the Post Falls Idaho's self circumcising Deacon and the European buggers Williamson quietly got out of Dodge.
You let a heretic drive you out of the church? That's a bit weak.
DeleteTo be fair, Urrutigoity and his merry band were liturgical experimenters who were dismissed from the SSPX.
DeleteAnd the Orthodox clergy are pure white?
DeleteOrthodox clergy is really bad, and things aren’t perfect on Mount Argos, that’s for sure.
DeleteHe consigns people to an eternity in hell and doesn't even care. The human body wasn't made for sodomy. Look at the diseases and medical conditions these poor creatures end up with. Maybe the Pope is one of them also. I'm beginning to think so.
ReplyDeleteVery good point about medical ramifications.
DeleteThe pope is gay.
ReplyDeleteSo Borgoglio denies the Truth and blames God rather than the psycho sexual trauma that clerical perverts inflicted on the man as a child?
ReplyDeleteBorgoglio is not Christian much less a Pope inspired by the Holy Ghost or even common sense.
Anonymous 9:45.....A Catholic Melkite ex Jesuit priest asked me to research what happened to over twenty of his fellow Catholic Eastern Rite priests, with the exception of one all of them went to the Orthodox.A wonderful RC priest ( now elderly) also told me to go to the Orthodox if there are no genuine Catholic priests or Churches left. I cannot find either in my area now. Most have passed on or retired somewhere.after researching the causes of the so called Great Schism including the Fourth Crusade, I see so many parallels with the Church today , I am inclined to believe you are correct.
Correction . the comment above was directed at the first comment poster.
ReplyDeleteFor anyone, especially a cleric, to confirm someone in a sodomite lifestyle is damnable.
ReplyDelete"God made you like that and he loves you like that and I do not care. The Pope wants you like that, you have to be happy with who you are."
ReplyDeleteThis is sick stuff, really sick. I can't believe a Pope would say such a thing, and by his words promote that type of lifestyle and orientation.
Where are the good Cardinals, bishops, priests, laity to mount a tidal wave of outrage and force this scum out of office, declare the Holy See vacant, and elect a Catholic pope. Taht's another reason why I don't bother with the Catholic Church anymore....though I keep up to date reading about it. Maybe I shouldn't...it just makes me angry. I'll always be a Catholic, I'm not converting to something else, but I can't stand this guy, the direction he is taking the Church, and the people he is promoting. The Catholic Church must have become a brain dead cult of the papacy (papolatry) to not rise up and force him out. Praying for an end of this and better times is fine and good, but sometimes someone has to force the issue and bring down evil. Not by any violent means of course, but to confront him and force his abdication/resignation/retirement. But it ain't happening.
Damian Malliapalli
Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. This is a spiritual battle. You have to keep the faith and keep your flags flying. Now, you know why the Maid of Orleans at 16 was a tool of the Lord to shame the men among them. Sadly, it is all in the Lord's good time. Just who are you to question his agenda?--- As my POW father who was shot down over Germany on his 21st mission while my mother was pregnant with me would say, keep your head up and continue the fight. As the local Franciscan preacher while being persecuted by the liberals would say, "can we have an 'Amen.'"
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ReplyDeleteWhat Cruz is affirming is very serious because he is demonstrating one of two: the apostasy of Bergoglio or that he is a false witness and could be sued for defamation, being a journalist his credibility would fall to the ground, he would even lose credibility in his own case of sexual abuse. So if Bergoglio does not clarify this, he would be demonstrating that what Cruz affirms is true and that he is not only a heretic but has completely apostatized from the Catholic faith. And if it were a lie, Bergoglio would not stand up either because this key witness would be discredited.
ReplyDeleteBut we already know that it is the third parties that have agreed to speak for him without him clarifying anything.
-The adulterous from Argentina to which Bergoglio authorized to receive the sacrilegious communion.
-The heretical nun from Argentina Martha Pelloni who states that Bergoglio recommends the sterilization of the tubal ligation and the condom.
-The Negation of Hell revealed by the Atheist Scalfari, etc., etc.
Can you supply a complete list of the evidence that Francis is pro-gay that I can give to a mostly orthodox priest that told me we have to give Francis the benefit of the doubt.
DeleteIt doesn't matter that third parties speak up to defend Pope Francis and his heresy ( Greg Burke, the Vatican spokesman for example, member of the corrupt Opus Dei organization). The fact is that week after week, they have to defend him, totally unheard of under all recent Popes before him. Popes might have said controversial things, but not day after day after day, and NEVER departing from the Faith or heretical.
ReplyDeleteThis comment by Pope Francis is indefensible. It is against the Laws of God, natural law, and against the teachings of the Catholic Church. Bergoglio should be forced to resign.
I read once, where Pope Francis' goal was to change Church teachings so that his changes would be irreversible. I don't think he meant by any judicial means or new papal documents etc, but simply by what he says. By making this comment to this Juan Carlos person, Francis is rejecting the teachings of Christ and the Church, and giving such a blanket approval of this guys lifestyle (and by extension all LGBT people and their lifestyle and sexual activity), what when he goes (dies or is thrown out...which I hope is very soon), the next Pope will have a very, very hard time reasserting traditional Catholic teaching and discipline on this matter, and others. The world will think that with Bergoglio's comments, gays are now 100% approved of and their lifestyle and sexuality, so the next Pope could never condemn it once again, or reassert Church teachings that it is intrinsically disordered and sinful.
I think this is what Francis means by changing things. Not by pronouncements, but by simple comments which go around the world and create confusion and weaken Catholic teaching and discipline so that that discipline can never be reasserted again.
Only someone extremely cunning and slick (like a serpent, lime someone evil), could mastermind such a means to pull down Catholic tradition and teachings. But he's doing it day by day, week by week. And the worthless College of Cardinals , bishops, and others, stand by and do nothing to stop him. They're all mesmerized, hypnotized by Bergoglio and his crew. Their too afraid to stand up for Catholic tradition and teachings for fear of getting their asses canned (being fired, removed).
That's why I really have nothing to do with the Catholic Church anymore. The Bergoglio version of it is worthless, and unfortunalty, that's what we're stuck with now.
Damian Malliapalli
Since you "don't have anything to do with the Catholic Church anymore", who have you found that can offer salvation?
DeleteSincere question.
I don't know how bad the new bunch is, but Francis just named 14 new Cardinals today. None of the outstanding good traditional Cardinals (Venice was passed over again, or course, and my own Archbishop in Philadelphia, Archbishop Chaput (who will probably end up retiring as the first Archbishop of Philadelphia not a Cardinal in almost 100 years!!).
ReplyDeleteThere might be some good men in the group....after all, some of Francis' appointments to the College of Cardinals have openly opposed some of Francis' own teachings in recent years. But I doubt if any truly good Cardinals were named.
At least the radicals...Bruno Forte, and the Argentine bishop close to Francis(his speechwriter) were not picked.
Anyone knew about a Konrad Krajewski (the Pope's Almoner). He's a Pole, and I know under JPII he was a member of the Papal Ceremonies crew under Piero Marini. Now he a new Cardinal.
Damian Malliapalli
Chaput proudly declared that he was TOO SMART to be able to rell the difference between a Satanist pedovore abortion fanatic and a pro-life candidate.
Deletehttp://catholicphilly.com/2016/08/archbishop-chaput-column/some-personal-thoughts-on-the-months-ahead/
Doesn't anyone realize Francis just blasphemed against God?
ReplyDeletePope Francis already stated that he doesn't believe there is a Hell. Now with this comment he made, I wouldn't be surprised if he were to imply subtly that Jesus Christ was gay. I just wouldn't be surprised.
ReplyDeleteDamian Malliapalli
I graduated from the Jesuit Saint Louis University in 1970 with a degree in History. I have saved a copy of the student newspaper which claimed that Jesus the Christ was gay. The Christ was God first and man second. Mankind are creatures and not coequal with God the Son. Mary Magdalen of "Jesus Christ Superstar" has no relevance. Neither does Madonna of "Don't cry for me Argentina". There is plenty of crying going on in the Church outside Argentina.
DeleteTancred to be really fair ,it went on a long time in the Winona seminary. Urrutigoity actually taught there and the entire crowd were Ordained together . How can one explain the serial pedophile Deacon and scout master in Post Falls who even after the SSPX priest pastor was warned, continued to molest boys for quite some time? What about Marshall Roberts whom Grassemieir, Angelqueen;s blog host endorsed by saying he checked with SSPX and he is a priest in good standing? Or the affair in Europe where Williamson was cornered about allowing two clerical molesters to continue for quite awhile before it became public knowledge?
ReplyDeleteThe original official reason Urrutigoity left Winona was that it was known he was subversive and recruiting from the seminary ranks for men to join him in a new venture. Only after the Scranton Diocese debacle did the SSPX come out with the fact they knew he was a child predator for quite some time and were watching him. The original whistle blower priest in S America was not believed.
If the Pope dies before the consistory, do these newly named Cardinals still get to vote in a conclave?
ReplyDeleteEasy, quick answer. Nope. Because they might have been named, but were not actually inducted into the Sacred College of Cardinals.
DeleteBut the scenario of Francis dying before the consistory isn't likely. The world-including me-would be shocked if he did.
Damian Malliapalli
Do you really believe that the College of Cardinals has any relevance in "the big picture" of a Marxist who denigrates clericalism. There is a new Church arising devoid of the priesthood as we know it. One conservative website states that a new Mass is being developed which will not have a Consecration.
DeleteI think the College of Cardinals has a lot of relevance, because I bet within 18 months, they will assemble to elect a new Pope. Francis will either die, or quit by this time. I think he's creating 14 (11 of who can vote), because he's setting the stage for his exit (one way or the other). He already said that he was contemplating when is a good time for him to go. With scandals mounting(all of his own making....the latest one now about his comment regarding "God made you gay...." is, as usual, exploding into a full scale major scandal of world-wide proportions. You don't hear any of Fraancis' cardinal running to his defense over this one. If they do, they'll ruin their chances in the next consistory.
DeleteFrancis will be gone very soon, one way or another. I think he knows his time is running out and he's ready to go.
The surprise is, that the next Pope won't be "Francis II", or anyone like him. Despite the fact that he did not elevate several good men to Cardinals this time....and it's not the first time he avoided them....a great man will be elected very shortly. A huge surprise. Totally the opposite of Francis.
If he's alive by then but retired, Francis will feel betrayed and humiliated. If he's dead by then, then he's dead and gone. Who cares?
Damian Malliapalli
Fat chance........Listen carefully remembering Borgolio is now stacking the deck with hand picked Cardinals for the next conclave.
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I pray with Damien. Pietro Parolin is his hand picked successor (Peter the Roman). Pius XII hand picked Giuseppe Siri and the liberals outfoxed the Holy Spirit.The stage is set for "stage right" and the entrance of a divine intervention as set forth evidently in the Third Secret.
DeleteThere is a priest now who is a friend of Cdl Dolan's and pictured with him toasting. His name is Fr Halloran and he is preaching that Jesus did not understand homosexuality.
ReplyDeleteHe understands this filth completely. This degenerate Halloran needs his face slapped.
DeleteBorgoglio is inconsistent with what he says to whom.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2017/12/12/no-science-behind-gay-gene-theory-research-from-johns-hopkins-university-shows-no-one-is-born-that-way/
When will the true church delcare formal schism, anathemas, appoint cardinals and a real Pope ? The resistance needs its own Pope. Stop starving the flock and give us a Pope.
ReplyDeleteI always thought this a fantasy, but it's becoming an urgent question which needs an urgent and decisive answer. That answer may be for all traditional/orthodox Catholics, including the SSPX and also various smaller sede-vacantist groups to meet together, hold a huge synod of lik minded faithful Catholics....decide on a country (possibly in Europe or Latin America....maybe even in Italy), petition for support among the millions of traditional and faithful Catholics, buy a huge piece of land, and build a new holy, traditional Catholic city, with a new Saint Peter's and a new Vatican. Build thousands of houses, piazzas, churches, recruit priests and nuns who would like to re-start the dead and dying Vatican II orders up again according to Catholic tradition....even re-establish the great monastic religious Orders which have gone extict for centuries. Then elect a truly Catholic Pope who will create a College of truly traditional Catholic cardinals, bishops, etc. Establish a traditional seminary. Then when the city is built, complete with replicas of the great basilicas of formerly Catholic Rome, encourage the faithful in their countries to build and establish their own similar towns and villages where everyone shares the same Catholic faith. Finally, engage in a massive missionary movement to win Catholics away from the errors of Vatican II and the errors of the Vatican II Vatican and Bergoglio (or God forbid if it turns out that way, his like minded liberal successor). Finally, declare that the new traditional Pope is only a temporary office.....that the man who hold it will willingly resign and give up any claim to being a Pope if/when the original Papacy and Vatican return to the True Faith and tradition....but only then.
DeleteI know this is a fantasy....but it may be the only way to save the True Faith. The Faithful Catholics lack organization, so I doubt if it would happen.
But if it did, and it was clear that this movement was exploding with new members and enormous growth and resources, I would contribute.
Because of Pope Francis, I have not contributed to and Catholic parish or organization or Order for about 2 years....most of my family does,except for 1-2.
I really do wish traditional Catholics would gather together....maybe starting out with 12,000 like the Pentecost pilgrimage, and rebuild a replica of a Catholic city....maybe the size of lets' say....Florence. With churches,monasteries,convents all around it, and replicas of the Roman basilicas, and maybe even a replica of some of the Roman ruins and catacombs. Far fetched...yes. I got carries away.
But a city like that would make a point...saying that we are the faithful Catholics, and we don't need a Pope like Bergoglio, or a Vatican like his. We have our own.
Damian Malliapalli
From the Bases of the Social Concept of the Russian Orthodox Church:
ReplyDeleteXII. 9. Holy Scriptures and the teaching of the Church unequivocally deplore homosexual relations, seeing in them a vicious distortion of the God-created human nature.
«If a man lies with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination» (Lev. 20:13). The Bibles relates a story about a heavy punishment to which God subjected the people of Sodom (Gen. 19:1-19) precisely for the sin of sodomy. St. Paul, describing the moral condition of the Gentiles, names homosexual relations among the most «vile affections» and «fornications» defiling the human body: «Their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise the men, leaving the natural use of women, burned in their lust one towards another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet» (Rom. 1:26-27). «Be not deceived: neither effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind… shall inherit the kingdom of God», wrote the apostle to the people of corrupted Corinth (1 Cor. 6:9-10). The patristic tradition equally clearly and definitely denounces any manifestation of homosexuality. The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, the works of Sts Basil the Great, John Chrysostom, Gregory of Nyssa and Blessed Augustine and the canon of St. John the Faster — all express the unchangeable teaching of the Church that homosexual relations are sinful and should be condemned. People involved in them have not right to be members of the clergy (Gregory the Great, Canon 7; Gregory of Nyssa, Canon 4; John the Faster, Canon 30). Addressing those who stained themselves with the sin of sodomy, the St. Maxim the Greek made this appeal: «See at yourselves, damned ones, what a foul pleasure you indulge in! Try to give up as soon as possible this most nasty and stinking pleasure of yours, to hate it and to fulminate eternally those who argue that it is innocent as enemies of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and corrupters of His teaching. Cleanse yourselves of this blight by repentance, ardent tears, alms-giving as much as you can and pure prayer… Hate this unrighteousness with all your heart, so that you may not be sons of damnation and eternal death».
The debate on the status of the so-called sexual minorities in contemporary society tends to recognise homosexuality not as a sexual perversion but only one of the «sexual orientations» which have the equal right to public manifestation and respect. It is also argued that the homosexual drive is caused by the individual inborn predisposition. The Orthodox Church proceeds from the invariable conviction that the divinely established marital union of man and woman cannot be compared to the perverted manifestations of sexuality. She believes homosexuality to be a sinful distortion of human nature, which is overcome by spiritual effort leading to the healing and personal growth of the individual. Homosexual desires, just as other passions torturing fallen man, are healed by the Sacraments, prayer, fasting, repentance, reading of Holy Scriptures and patristic writings, as well as Christian fellowship with believers who are ready to give spiritual support.
While treating people with homosexual inclinations with pastoral responsibility, the Church is resolutely against the attempts to present this sinful tendency as a «norm» and even something to be proud of and emulate. This is why the Church denounces any propaganda of homosexuality. Without denying anybody the fundamental rights to life, respect for personal dignity and participation in public affairs, the Church, however, believes that those who propagate the homosexual way of life should not be admitted to educational and other work with children and youth, nor to occupy superior posts in the army and reformatories.
Could you please send that to the present occupant of the Chair of Peter and his band of merry pro hx's whom he has placed in positions of authority and influence like Paglia , martin et al"
DeleteWell said, Woody. "Cheers, where everybody knows your name". The Orthodox are heretics but still have a valid priesthood which "family trees" back to the Apostles.
DeleteRe: Mt Athos.
ReplyDeleteYes they have a monastery full of elderly monks whom they are starving and barring medicines from getting to them. Their crime? They are protesting Ecumenical
Unity being pushed by Bartholomew with ROME!
There are many Orthodox Churches besides the Greek. Antiochian, OCA, Coptic, to name a few. This excellent Orthodox Antiochian priest, Fr Trenham, actually spoke at a dinner a friend went to hosted by the Papal Nuncio in DC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNXe4P_6dhw
CONsider that this was planted to guarantee his next successor as liberal or more so than himself.
ReplyDeleteThe pressure on his next successor will be astronomical to be liberal and if not, well finally the formal Schism will happen.
Cleverly done to pressure the next Conclave.
I AM not so sure if God made people homosexual but I am certain there are anti Popes
ReplyDeleteSo God made the womanizer and adulterer the way they are?
ReplyDeleteYou can answer this best for yourself Sebastian.
DeleteDid he also make the creepy bog-stalker?
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