.- The president of the German Bishops’ Conference has declared that, in his view, Catholic priests can conduct blessing ceremonies for homosexual couples.
Cardinal Reinhard Marx told the Bavarian State Broadcasting’s radio service that “there can be no rules” about this question. Rather, the decision of whether a homosexual union should receive the Church’s blessing should be up to “a priest or pastoral worker” and made in each individual case, the German prelate stated.
Speaking on Feb. 3, on the occasion of his 10th anniversary as Archbishop of Munich and Freising, Cardinal Marx was asked why "the Church does not always move forward when it comes to demands from some Catholics about, for instance, the ordination of female deacons, the blessing of homosexual couples, or the abolition of compulsory [priestly] celibacy."
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Zuhlsdorf is a pimp, a self-fixated bozo, a dissembler and a low grade trinket peddler who weaselled his way out of Villetri-Segni, the Roman diocese of his incardination, and engineered enough patronage to set up the Madison entrepreneurial business.
He needs to go to confession and get back to his diocese to do the parish work for which he was 'ordained'
He was thrown out of his parish job by a rather liberal priest who was offended by his traditionalism.
John P, you are in the wrong here. Do you support the Marx?
And the gates of hell haven't prevailed yet, right?
What do you expect to Cardinal Max member of those Gangs,Sad about John, John Liberalism is.a sin I think you should go to coffessionm
Your comment reveals a personal animus, perhaps you do not agree with his orthodox views on Catholicism. He spends a great deal of time educating Catholics on the lost treasury of the liturgy, stolen from us lo these many decades now. He creates podcasts which give inspiration, to those of us forced to listen to syrupy Francis-pap fed us by Francis-priests. He has of late caught the eye of progressive haters, who have used the dog whistle to gather a big pile on. Are you one of those? I would want to make sure I wasn't persecuting one of the Church's faithful priests. We apparently have fewer than we ever realized. Faithful Catholics are really suffering not only a rogue pope but an episcopate that has utterly abandoned us. Thank God for any faithful priests.
You need only see a photo of Marx and realize the reason for his support for gay unions and allegedly evidently gay marriage. He has innate bias. How about using inspired Scripture as a guide? Jesus the Christ did not opine on this issue to be sure. However, his actions at Cana should visualize the primacy of traditional marriage as a symbol of God's interaction with his Church.
"He was thrown out of his parish job by a rather liberal priest who was offended by his traditionalism." Really? Any proof? Details?
I witnessed it happen.
"There can be no rules", no Commandments, no intrinsic evils or perversions....do whatever the hell you want but be prepared also for hell.
"No rules, no commandments, no intrinsic evil", each individual makes their own rules.
Zuhlsdorf was ejected from two seminaries, fled to Rome under patronage, engineered his 'ordination' the validity of which should be questioned on the grounds of intentionality and title. He's essentially a sacerdotal clericalist, incardinated in Villetri Segni but now doing a marginal but lucrative job a diocese of convenience.
Thank God Zuhlsdorf in not in direct pastoral contact with normal people in parishes. He's a disaster.
I think I have legitimate grounds to question the validity of the ordinations that come from the seminaries out of which he was ejected.
Never let truth get in the way of a pre-scripted ideological spray. Get it right first time:
Tom Heneghan, “Top German Cardinal signals cautious support for blessing same sex-couples,” America Magazine (RNS) February 06, 2018.
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2018/02/06/top-german-cardinal-signals-cautious-support-blessing-same-sex-couples?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletters&utm_content=10+-+READ+MORE+gtgtgt&utm_campaign=Newsletter&source=Newsletter
What exactly are those 'legitimate grounds?'
I have mine about the entrepreneur Zuhlsdorf. His motivation had nothing to do with traditionalism, the TLM or the like and everything to do with demonstrating to his 'oppressors' that he 'made it' despite and inspite of them. He used subterfuge, dissemblance, by fleeing to the academic and spiritual mediocrity of Rome he had a free pass. His motivation from the start was and is defective. The way he goes about advising his 'seminarian' disciples (he's got the hots for them!) to dissemble and 'play the game' is a dead give away.
Furhermore, the carry on about his 'doctorate' in Patristics was a chest thumping fraud if ever there was one and only meant to impress the weak minded poor buggers who fund his lavish sybaritic lifestyle at a level ordinary parish clergy could only dream of. I notice he has gone all quiet on the 'doctorate' especially after he eventually discovered that he would actually have to work for the degree and produce a credible thesis.
In Rome too, he avoided the psychological filtration that weeded him out of the US seminaries.
It'll all come back to bite him big time.
You probabaly approve of the kinds of tactics employed by Saint Paul Seminary.
It sure sounds like professional jealousy to me. You surely haven’t done anything interesting with your life.
Cautious support for pederasty....
John Ralston Saul has written, I think very wisely, that when religion is treated as a blunt weapon, it is not longer religion but ideology.
You, Tancred, are an ideologue.
If St Paul Seminary was one of the two that gave the pathological Zuhlsdorf the boot, then they did two things well: they no longer had the uneducable one on their books and secondly, they stalled the boorish clown from wrecking havoc among God's people.
Bravo St Paul's.
You don’t even know any of the details. You’re just a resentful crank then who tries to pose as an authority about someone you resent because he’s far more successful and talented at representing Catholicism, than you are in attempting to destroy it. Bravo!
I don’t even like the man, but you’re obvious a piece of human toxic waste who’ll find himself all ashes upon the day of wrath.
Thanks for the empty platitude. I’ll take that as an admission of defeat.
AnonymousFebruary 5, 2018 at 8:26 PM
"He was thrown out of his parish job by a rather liberal priest who was offended by his traditionalism." Really? Any proof? Details?
Remember him? He asked that you back up your assertion with more details. You're claiming inside knowledge, don't hold back; enlighten the reader on the case of the twice ejected Zuhlsdorf.
The only defeat here is your own for posting that piece of deceptive and disingenuous doggerel about Cardinal Marx. Read Tom Heneghan's article in RNS and get your facts straight.
You don’t even know what seminaries he was allegedly expelled from, and claim to know the validity of his orders. He was incardinated in Rome after being disincardinated from Saint Paul.
St Paul's doesn't incardinate anyone. It's a seminary nota diocese.
St Paul's is one of two seminaries that threw Zuhlsdorf out. He didn't come up to scratch academically, failed the psychological screening tests.
The place he took refuging in, secured the patronage of a prelate or two, guaranteed him a free pass to 'ordination' which he thinks is valid! His diocese is Villetri-Segni. Why is he not engaged in pastoral ministry in that diocese?
It's clear that he would not be able to run the entrepreneurial operation, indulge himself in the top shelf life if he was at the pastoral coal-face.
He's not in this for the TLM, traditionalism or any thing remotely related. He is on easy street. Look at his $$$$ meter and the arguments from clerical entitlements he trots out to justify his rapacity; money for nothing and extracted from the guilt-ridden, scruple tormented poor folk who are struggling to make ends meet. BTW, check just how arrogantly he deals with them in his tightly censored com box!
When Morlino goes, Zuhlsdorf will find himself isolated, without protection and exposed for what he is, a self-indulgent, sine-cure, airport cleric.
You probabably have a place to stay at his 9 million € villa in Rome.
I spoke to a canon lawyer who knows differently.
In this teenage reactiveness, you demonstrate in stellar fashion just how devoid of intellectual and psychological capital you are Tancred.
You either can't or won't read Heneghan's article because you have been caught out again in your trademark hubris. The guff of the lunatic Nardi becomes more persuasive as time goes by.
"...who knows differently" about what?
You’re not very well-informed.
http://safe-environment.archspm.org/300-clergy/304-incardination-priests/
You’re defending someone who is one of Germany’s largest pornography dealers, lives like a renaissance prince and goes out of his way to employ degenerates who were in possession of child pornography.
So you demonstrate that you can cut and paste a URL that links to a policy statement of the now disgraced and resigned Archbishop Nienstedt nothing of which has anything to do with Zuhlsdorf. He was not a priest of that archdiocese. He in incardinated into Viletri Segni. The reasons he trots out for not doing what he was 'ordained' for in the diocese for which he was 'ordained' are just bogus. He's in business not on the mission and he will become unstuck in the most spectacular form before many more 'my view for a while' or blue links to his lucrative Amazon and other $$$$$ accounts.
It's all about Zuhlsdorf and no one else.
I'm defending no one; that's the self-defensive twist you predictably put on it because you have been caught out in publishing gross deception. But you don't give a damn. It's all part of the entitlement package that goes with your ideology. Truth, accuracy and fairness count for little in your little gated domain of Christendom.
Evidently, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I know exactly what I am talking about and that's why you are as rattled as you are.
For years Marx has been subtly defending sodomy.
This Diocèse does in fact incardinate it’s priests, despite your claims otherwise.
The onus is on you to prove the assertion otherwise people will rightly conclude that you are just making this up.
You are not getting it are you, Tancred. I said that Zuhlsdorf has nothing to do legally with the Archdiocese of St Paul.
Earlier, you were totally confused about the whole issue of incardination.
You’re not getting it because your malice outweighs any actual knowledge you have:
1) You don’t know what seminary he attended, yet profess to know that they wrere right about him. How could you know about what quality of vetting they had if you don’t even know the institution he attended?
2) You said that St. Paul doesn’t incardinate it’s priests, but they do. Wrong again.
I’m sorry you’re having such a hard time.
Even you admit that he does so. Why is this such a problem for you? It must be something you ate.
I suggest that you get yourself into an English as a second language course (ESL). It might help but I doubt it.
Of course, that doesn’t even get into the issues of your Modernist disposition, which disposes you to suggest that Marx has a subtle approach to sodomy that real Catholics don’t get because they’re too ideological, or something.
I suggest you take a class in basic logic, or how to conduct a civilized discussion, 101 class at the local senior center.
The big challenge for wanna be trad like you old chap, is to get a handle on truth. You crow about it all the time, but your tactics show that you ride roughshod over truth, fairness and decent behaviour. Just take a look back at the line of 'discussion' between the two of us and you might detect, though I have serious reservations about it, that when cornered and/or trapped in your own flawed thinking, you quickly disintegrate into distortion, deflection, crass ad hominem slurs and outright lies. That's the way you characters operate and it's no wonder given the fact that in the entire trad universe, there's not one theologian who would survive five minutes in a decent debate.
You should think hard about your performance today as your follower will be astounded at the way you so quickly forfeited your claimed authority and credibility.
As for the pathetic parting shot, you wouldn't know a civilized discussion if it bit you on the ass.
Thanks for the useless rejoinder. You’re obviously a toxic and anti-social deviant.
Precisely as I said but it's all predictable really given the fact that you are just smart enough to think your way into a maze of flawed logic and fractured syllogisms.
Stop talking about yourself, broadbent.
Sigmund and an international symposium would easily take a full year to process the pathologies at work in your psyche, old chap but I think any effective therapy would be too late. But you might find solace in the knowledge that this condition is quite common among the wannabe trads. The stuffed upstairs wiring is a trademark.
Sticks and stones, John.
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