(Rome) Matteo Matzuzzi, the Vatican expert of the daily newspaper Il Foglio wrote to 14:52 on Twitter: "++ Overwhelming majority against Communion for remarried divorcees, according to sources in the Synod ++"
Just a few minutes earlier Sebastien Maillard, the Vatican expert of the daily newspaper La Croix, had tweeted the French Bishops' Conference:
"Overwhelming majority against the Communion for remarried divorcees, according to observers in the Synod Hall"
In another Tweet Matzuzzi wrote at 3 o'clock: "In the end everything is a matter of numbers. One begins to count ... "
Voters during the Synod as they also took place in the past year, were not provided for by Pope Francis for this Synod. That was a point which the thirteen Synodal Cardinals criticized in their complaint letter to the Pope. The intermediate votes before the final vote on the Relatio finalis at the end of the Synod serve an orientation of the Synod, to which direction to go to see the positions on an issue.
Should the vote be confirmed, this would mean that the Synod Fathers were able to free themselves from the Synod Director. Today's vote was all just an orientation that, however, anticipates the final vote on the topic. The final vote is scheduled for next Saturday, 24 October.
It has long been unclear how the final vote will be held. The Cardinals complaining expressed concern that the Pope let the Synod vote only in the block, and not on the individual sections. The Synod General, Cardinal Baldisseri assured Cardinal Pell last week, that the paragraph will be voted on by paragraph. Still, there is no certainty as of yet.
Overall, there is a lack of clarity in the air, as to whether the Synod will end at all. It was the closest confidants of the Pope, Cardinals Baldisseri and Tagle, who wished for ambiguity. Will the Relatio finalis be published? Will there be a Post-Synodal Letter? The speech of Pope Francis last Saturday at the ceremony marking the 50th anniversary of the introduction of the Synod of Bishops, and an interview published yesterday of Cardinal Walter Kasper certainly provides for new uncertainty.
Cardinal Kasper indicated that a Post-synodal letter may be long in coming, but it should announce the admission of remarried divorcees to Communion in a statement by the Pope. Since Kasper is one of the closest confidants of the pope in the matter, his statement could be less of an invitation to the pope, and rather more of an announcement of what the pope has intended all along. At least this option can not be ruled out in view of the recent course of the Synod.
The same applies to the Pope's appeal of wanting to decentralize the Church. Roberto de Mattei drew attention to the fact that decentralization could serve as a "way out" of the impasse in which the progressive camp sits when the Synod majority pronouncess itself against "new Mercy." Then, instead of the synodality being stressed, decentralization would be entered into. In other words, Africa could then retain the Catholic teaching on marriage, while the western episcopal conferences practice a liberal openness?
Text: Giuseppe Nardi
Bild: Twitter/Matteo Matzuzzi
Bild: Twitter/Matteo Matzuzzi
21 comments:
A lack of clarity does not mean the Church will abandon Doctrine.
The Synod will right itself, have Faith. What is disconcerning is possibly a FUTURE PONTIFF, ¨Cardinal Tagle wished for ambiguity.¨ Please Lord spare us Tagle!
This bears repeating:
There will be no Schism after this Synod nor novelities.
It was decided before the Synod began.
However the Cardinals and Bishops do accept ¨advice¨ from outsiders as evidence of dinner parties and the like. By losing this game they still push the homosexual agenda and insert a questioning of Doctrine. The Holy Spirit won´t allow them to do an end around Doctrine try as they might. It is Vatican III in 2 to 3 years that is what they are preparing these 2 Synods are sideshows but do further their agenda although they appear to lose the game.
St. Francis of Assisi speaks of a non canonically elected Pope who would be a destroyer. As I see it Pope Francis finally saw that he would not get his way at the Synod. So now he wants to "decentralize the Church" in the name of Collegiality. By what he proposes is he suggesting the Bishop of each Diocese be his own Pope? Christ chose St. Peter as head of the other Apostles, this seems contrary to the idea of Collegiality. Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre spoke out against Collegiality, I think its clear Lefebvre was right again.
Fernando
I wonder how it makes sense though. If the pope dilutes his authority, why would anyone need to listen to him on anything? What will his role be? Is he just going to then jet around the world kissing babies?
There has been mention that the pope wants to put into place strategies for the future, slowly but surely, in a manner that no future pope could change without risking a huge division.
Perhaps that is the plan all along.
I think you're right. I think some are gearing up for another council.
Liberal Modernists do not care for or respect majority rule - if you disagree they invent laws to shut you up and exploit radical minority pressure groups for their own benefit.
They are the allies of The Devil and do his divisive work.
This so-called pope has allied with anti-catholic and non-catholic supporters through his soft liberal approach. He has artfully manipulated the postmodernist media engine for his own agenda. Most neo-catholics do not recognise anything formerly Roman Catholic in any case. They blindly follow populist politics through which Francis is the master player. He is now ready with his final coup to destroy any final vestige of the old pre-conciliar paradigm - this was to be found in the Roman Catholic family. The Communists and the Socialists have all tried the same and failed but the enemy within this counterfeit church is in place for its ultimate act of sabotage.
No real Roman Catholic should have anything to do with this abominable and desolate church because there are no genuine traditionalists left among the hierarchy as they are all compromisers to one degree or another - pastorally, doctrinally or liturgically.
We are told by Our Blessed Lord in such times to head for the mountains and to prepare for this period of chastisement being implemented on a profoundly corrupt and disorientated society. The neo-church is part and parcel of the absolute moral decay. In fact, it has led the way.
Collegiality was only thing that saved us last sinod and what is stopping the gnostics now, but its only temporary. francis has no choice now but become an ultramontanist and balkanize the church (if still exists in a year) and allow communion for the remarried officially with a quasi infallible statement to decentralize, which no doubt is well along its way in being written
That's a load of rubbish. Francis has enabled anyone with any opinion to speak at this Synod and with the guarantee that the divergent views will be respected and reflected in the final report.
Under JP II and Benedict XVI, the so-called final reports at every single Synod were pre-written. The talk was not worth the oxygen expended. Those two put Catholicism in a coma for thirty five years.
Many people now don't know how to handle consciousness again.
"That's a load of rubbish. Francis has enabled anyone with any opinion to speak at this Synod and with the guarantee that the divergent views will be respected and reflected in the final report."
Pope Francis has allowed the equal treatment of orthodoxy and heterodoxy in this Synod. This is a major failing in Peter’s charge to strengthen his brethren, for what communion hath Christ with belial? And why should the kingdom of God and the kingdom of satan have equal footing?
"Under JP II and Benedict XVI, the so-called final reports at every single Synod were pre-written. The talk was not worth the oxygen expended. Those two put Catholicism in a coma for thirty five years."
St. Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI apparently acted with great foresight since their control of the synodal process avoided the present confusion, which as Holy Scripture notes, is a hallmark of the spirit of the evil one, and not the Holy Spirit of God (e.g. 1 Cor. 14:33). If you lament this papal control, lament rather the heterodoxy that so infests the Western Church and the shame-faced leaders and faithful who embrace an evolutionary faith rather than the faith once for all delivered to the saints that makes the bishops unable to profess the eternal truth of Christ without compromise. Gabriel, it is this failure, which makes the bishops unable to engage in a truly synodal process in an orthodox manner, which resulted in past papal control of the synodal process. Such leadership needs strict oversight for it is unable to preserve orthodoxy, otherwise.
The present pope canonized Pope John Paul II and publicly stated he was a man of courage and mercy. Perhaps we're still in the coma? Or perhaps you're mistaking a dream for consciousness?
http://www.usccb.org/about/leadership/holy-see/canonizations-john-xxiii-john-paul-ii.cfm
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Canonizing two recent popes in the presence of his immediate predecessor, Pope Francis praised the new Sts. John XXIII and John Paul II as men of courage and mercy, who responded to challenges of their time by modernizing the Catholic Church in fidelity to its ancient traditions.
And now Francis has canonized JP II for his personal holiness while at the same time relativizing his Magisterium by publicly restoring the institutions and practices of Collegiality which JP II totally disregarded at every stage of his papacy and particularly during the seven or eight 'pre-cooked' Synods he slept thorough.
About that 4:32 screed, I'd diagnose a definite grip on Gaybreality. The 7:31 is merely an alternate Gaybreality reached through the wormhole of your mind. Your usual baseless assertions are one thing, but latest onset of Gaybreality is quite another thing. Maybe you need bed rest for a month.
Catholic friends, have you noticed, as I have, that anything that contradicts liberal propaganda or fantasies and any manly tone to denounce it is dubbed "anger," as the truly angry "Gabriel" does in this blog consistently? It is part of their therapeutic culture bilch and a ploy to shut up anyone who is not pliable to their nefarious purposes. This sick monster has often in this blog dubbed the very mild, very courterous, and immensely charitable Cardinal Burke "an angry man in lace dresses." Such is the filth that inhabits the soul and mind of such destroyers of all that is true, good, and beautiful. As if Our Blessed Savior had not been angry against scribes and pharisees on various occasions! But, of course, their blather about anger is one more of their Gramscian ruses: they themselves are perpetually and profoundly angry and know no peace---for being sons of Satan the First Liberal, they, as the poet Milton puts it regarding his poetic Satan in "Paradise Lost" (Book IX), carry hell with them wherever they go. The Gabriels of this world have a foretaste in their sick souls of what awaits them for eternity---lest, hopefully, they change by some miracle of grace. They need both our rebuke and our prayers. RC
All my life I've noticed that.
"...Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI apparently acted with great foresight since their control of the synodal process avoided the present confusion...'
This comment beggars belief beyond all comprehension. These two are responsible directly for most of the liberal modernist pastoral, doctrinal and liturgical confusion by their phenomenological ecumenical approaches to faith. Paul VI is equally responsible and JP II, as his greatest admirer with Cardinal Ratzinger the croney successor disguising himself as a traditionalist when it suited his convenience.
The post-conciliar papacies have consistently worked for collegiality, flat-lining management and delegating their responsibilities out to the dioceses.
Pope Francis is as authoritarian as any pope has been, if not more so. He acts independently, as on the issue regarding annulments. He has publicly admitted that he tends to act authoritatively. There is no evidence that he practices "collegiality," whatever it is supposed to be.
Shock horror, the Holy Spirit has finally arrived at the synod.
I bet the liberal/progressives/masons weren't counting on that!
But for all the faithful remnant who have been praying and fasting and doing adoration, asking our blessed mother for her intercession in this matter, well our prayers may well have been answered (time will tell).
One thing for sure, it seems now that it will be up to francis himself to make the call, and in the process he will reveal himself, whether he is indeed a wolve dressed as a lamb ,or not.
As some jesuit priest, i believe, said "we are hoping francis can pull victory from the jaws of defeat".
sjt
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