Minnesota Bible Scholar Calls for Resistance to Synod
Edit: Father Echert is the pastor of the parish of St. Augustine's in South Saint Paul, saying the Immemorial Mass of All Ages and doing the work of a pastor.
He has taken a courageous stand here, from the Remnant:
How are we to resist? They don't have to officially decide anything at this synod of robbers. They simply put the idea down, in writing and then filter it back through the council of bishops in each country and implement it as if it were Church law. Any bishop who dares challenge will be "co-adjutored" Or if that doesn't work, they'll simply fall back on the old "rumours of impropriety". It's a well worn play book. Until our Lord cleans house in a chastisement, nothing will be fixed.
If you haven't already done so, please read the Pope's speech he just gave about his desire to reform the papacy and create a "Synodal" Church. It is chilling in every way. In effect, he wants to convert the Catholic Church into the Anglican Church.
After reading his statements, I am convinced that Jorge Bergoglio must be deposed. He must not be allowed to continue as Pope otherwise he will irrevocably destroy what's left of the Catholic Chruch.
If Cardinals like Muller, Pell, Sarah, Burke, Caffara, and others are sincere in their criticisms of the Bergoglio, they must demand that Bergoglio leave Rome forever. It's not enough to undermine him. These men must speak publicly. They must defend the Church even if it brings scorn on them.
Bergoglio cannot be allowed to occupy the Vatican for another day.
Pope Francis has called for a return to the Traditional Synodal ecclesiology and governance of the early Church. In support, he quotes St John Chrysostom: "Church and Synod are synonymous." He received a standing ovation from the 300 bishops and observers in the Synod hall:
"The last level is that of the universal Church. Here the Synod of Bishops, representing the Catholic episcopate, becomes an expression of episcopal collegiality inside a church that is synodal. It manifests the affective collegiality, which may well become in some circumstances "effective," joining the Bishops among themselves and with the Pope in the solicitude for the People God."
Father Echert seems to have a problem with the authority of the Synod, probably with authority if it doesn't support him full stop. It's a pathology,
Perhaps one characteristic of authority types is their inability to appreciate that unity does not mean uniformity.The likes of Pell and many others who are involved in the argy-bargey in the Synod are authority types.So is Burke.Were JP11 and BXVI leaders or authority types ?
I'll see your Chrysostom and raise you a Polycarp; addressing a spiritual ancestor of yours....
"....I know who you are; you're the firstborn of satan and a spawn of hell."
Your kind has always been around 'gabriel'...slithering into gardens and spreading slime, undermining the work of God. There will be no place to hide at Judgment. Try repeating your misused, decontextualized quote from a Church Father while standing before Christ, in defense of the rape of His Bride. You play with blasphemous fire, and the result will be worse for you than for these guys....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTcheaqt0rU
seriously, this isn't a game to get a rise out of people. You will be held accountable for your defense of every sacrilege you've defended, especially those coming out of this demon filled clown-car of a sinod. And if my guess is correct, you wear a collar and will be held to an even stricter accounting. Our time here is short, and eternity is that clip above on an never-ending loop for those who choose man over God and His Word. As a Spiritual Work of Mercy, I'll still say to you today, out of a sense of fraternal love for a soul that my Lord died to save...turn around, repent, choose Christ. Your blindness is killing you.
Standing ovation? Did Lombardi and Rosica tell you to say that? How would anyone know otherwise?
And the Church condoning homosexual relations, homosexual marriages, and homosexual families in Chrysostom's time? This is truly the Fairy Tale Synod, ecclesiology to justify sins against the sixth commandment to include justifying intrinsic disorder, therefore, it is not traditional ecclesiology.
Please come back to reality, Gaybriel, or at least have the integrity to become an Anglican or whatever. they have their own fab ecclesiology with all the trappings you love.
And here's one for you, Barnum: Mundabor, not a happy camper by any means, has decided to take a walk..... Since you share the same jaundiced assessment of the Synod, are you going to the leader? Go on. Back up the talk with the walk.
"Clearly, this Synod is getting stupid beyond parody. It must be deprived of any credibility together with the disgraceful man who has promoted it.
God and His Sacred Deposit of Faith is unchanging and unchangeable and always and everywhere authoritative - Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and Sacred Magisterium.
However the Cardinals and Bishops do accept ¨advice¨ from outsiders as evidence of dinner parties and the like. By losing this game they still push the homosexual agenda and insert a questioning of Doctrine. The Holy Spirit won´t allow them to do an end around Doctrine try as they might. It is Vatican III in 2 to 3 years that is what they are preparing these 2 Synods are sideshows but do further their agenda although they appear to lose the game.
And, for the kids in the viewing audience, Feybriel, you don't get to ask an incompetent, irrelevant, pharisaical question in a desperate attempt to save face.
The competent, relevant, and truth-seeking question is: How do we get the haters of Our Lord and the Sixth Commandment to walk out? Our own dissenters are morally inferior to Luther, Henry, the next wave like good ol' Munzer & Menno, et al., who at least started their own churches and didn't leech off anyone else's. And who liked girls.
There goes "Gabriel" again doing what Francis himself does: calling innovation tradition and heresy orthodoxy so that the unthinking and the clericalist fools will fall uncritically for the ruse. What an sad little man you have on this site in the provocateur "Gabriel," most likely one of the ageing hippie priests from the sixties or seventies venting from the rectory of his half-empty church while taking a break from the skull-numbing strains of "Here I Am, Lord" or some other kindergartenish dittie from the yahoos still in the Novus Ordo. Martin
I thoroughly dislike Bergoglio. But it is established canon law that the pope cannot be deposed. "The first chair is judged by no one" is the canonical principle.
The bishops are bound to respond to continual grave breaches of the Faith and morals by public words and purported actions of the pope. They have a duty to denounce manifest heresy and call for a retraction. If a retraction is not forthcoming, they can find as a matter of fact that he is formally a heretic, and therefore, ipso facto, not in the Church and no longer a holder of the Petrine Office. It is a finding of fact, not a judicial sentence. The deposition occurs not due to a decision of the bishops but due to the fact of heresy (a fact which it is within the power of bishops to find).
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God bless Father Echert who is still offering the antidote to Novus Ordo poisoning.
Amanda R.
I wonder if he will get called into the chancery to get spanked.
How are we to resist? They don't have to officially decide anything at this synod of robbers. They simply put the idea down, in writing and then filter it back through the council of bishops in each country and implement it as if it were Church law. Any bishop who dares challenge will be "co-adjutored" Or if that doesn't work, they'll simply fall back on the old "rumours of impropriety". It's a well worn play book. Until our Lord cleans house in a chastisement, nothing will be fixed.
If you haven't already done so, please read the Pope's speech he just gave about his desire to reform the papacy and create a "Synodal" Church. It is chilling in every way. In effect, he wants to convert the Catholic Church into the Anglican Church.
After reading his statements, I am convinced that Jorge Bergoglio must be deposed. He must not be allowed to continue as Pope otherwise he will irrevocably destroy what's left of the Catholic Chruch.
If Cardinals like Muller, Pell, Sarah, Burke, Caffara, and others are sincere in their criticisms of the Bergoglio, they must demand that Bergoglio leave Rome forever. It's not enough to undermine him. These men must speak publicly. They must defend the Church even if it brings scorn on them.
Bergoglio cannot be allowed to occupy the Vatican for another day.
Pope Francis has called for a return to the Traditional Synodal ecclesiology and governance of the early Church. In support, he quotes St John Chrysostom: "Church and Synod are synonymous."
He received a standing ovation from the 300 bishops and observers in the Synod hall:
"The last level is that of the universal Church. Here the Synod of Bishops, representing the Catholic episcopate, becomes an expression of episcopal collegiality inside a church that is synodal. It manifests the affective collegiality, which may well become in some circumstances "effective," joining the Bishops among themselves and with the Pope in the solicitude for the People God."
Father Echert seems to have a problem with the authority of the Synod, probably with authority if it doesn't support him full stop. It's a pathology,
Perhaps one characteristic of authority types is their inability to appreciate that unity does not mean uniformity.The likes of Pell and many others who are involved in the argy-bargey in the Synod are authority types.So is Burke.Were JP11 and BXVI leaders or authority types ?
I'll see your Chrysostom and raise you a Polycarp; addressing a spiritual ancestor of yours....
"....I know who you are; you're the firstborn of satan and a spawn of hell."
Your kind has always been around 'gabriel'...slithering into gardens and spreading slime, undermining the work of God. There will be no place to hide at Judgment. Try repeating your misused, decontextualized quote from a Church Father while standing before Christ, in defense of the rape of His Bride. You play with blasphemous fire, and the result will be worse for you than for these guys....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTcheaqt0rU
seriously, this isn't a game to get a rise out of people. You will be held accountable for your defense of every sacrilege you've defended, especially those coming out of this demon filled clown-car of a sinod. And if my guess is correct, you wear a collar and will be held to an even stricter accounting. Our time here is short, and eternity is that clip above on an never-ending loop for those who choose man over God and His Word. As a Spiritual Work of Mercy, I'll still say to you today, out of a sense of fraternal love for a soul that my Lord died to save...turn around, repent, choose Christ. Your blindness is killing you.
Standing ovation? Did Lombardi and Rosica tell you to say that? How would anyone know otherwise?
And the Church condoning homosexual relations, homosexual marriages, and homosexual families in Chrysostom's time? This is truly the Fairy Tale Synod, ecclesiology to justify sins against the sixth commandment to include justifying intrinsic disorder, therefore, it is not traditional ecclesiology.
Please come back to reality, Gaybriel, or at least have the integrity to become an Anglican or whatever. they have their own fab ecclesiology with all the trappings you love.
And here's one for you, Barnum:
Mundabor, not a happy camper by any means, has decided to take a walk.....
Since you share the same jaundiced assessment of the Synod, are you going to the leader?
Go on. Back up the talk with the walk.
"Clearly, this Synod is getting stupid beyond parody. It must be deprived of any credibility together with the disgraceful man who has promoted it.
Time to walk out.
Time to walk out.
Time to walk out."
M
God and His Sacred Deposit of Faith is unchanging and unchangeable and always and everywhere authoritative - Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and Sacred Magisterium.
There will be no Schism.
It was decided before the Synod began.
However the Cardinals and Bishops do accept ¨advice¨ from outsiders as evidence of dinner parties and the like. By losing this game they still push the homosexual agenda and insert a questioning of Doctrine. The Holy Spirit won´t allow them to do an end around Doctrine try as they might. It is Vatican III in 2 to 3 years that is what they are preparing these 2 Synods are sideshows but do further their agenda although they appear to lose the game.
QED.
And, for the kids in the viewing audience, Feybriel, you don't get to ask an incompetent, irrelevant, pharisaical question in a desperate attempt to save face.
The competent, relevant, and truth-seeking question is: How do we get the haters of Our Lord and the Sixth Commandment to walk out? Our own dissenters are morally inferior to Luther, Henry, the next wave like good ol' Munzer & Menno, et al., who at least started their own churches and didn't leech off anyone else's. And who liked girls.
There goes "Gabriel" again doing what Francis himself does: calling innovation tradition and heresy orthodoxy so that the unthinking and the clericalist fools will fall uncritically for the ruse. What an sad little man you have on this site in the provocateur "Gabriel," most likely one of the ageing hippie priests from the sixties or seventies venting from the rectory of his half-empty church while taking a break from the skull-numbing strains of "Here I Am, Lord" or some other kindergartenish dittie from the yahoos still in the Novus Ordo. Martin
I thoroughly dislike Bergoglio. But it is established canon law that the pope cannot be deposed. "The first chair is judged by no one" is the canonical principle.
The bishops are bound to respond to continual grave breaches of the Faith and morals by public words and purported actions of the pope. They have a duty to denounce manifest heresy and call for a retraction. If a retraction is not forthcoming, they can find as a matter of fact that he is formally a heretic, and therefore, ipso facto, not in the Church and no longer a holder of the Petrine Office. It is a finding of fact, not a judicial sentence. The deposition occurs not due to a decision of the bishops but due to the fact of heresy (a fact which it is within the power of bishops to find).
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