Christine Niles writes on her twitter:
He's probably not going to sue anyone, but then, it's doubtful that he'll resign either.
Sunday, February 22, 2015
Director of Canadian Basilians Curses Cardinal Burke on Twitter: Apologizes, Calls for Director's Resignation
Edit: this tweet was taken down, but not before someone at ChurchMilitant.com, or someone who sent it to them, made a copy of it and republished it. It's from Father Timothy Scott, the official spokesman of the Basilians and Executive Director of the Canadian Religious Conference. He has since apologized, but there are some who insist he follow up that apology.
Christine Niles writes on her twitter:
He's probably not going to sue anyone, but then, it's doubtful that he'll resign either.
Christine Niles writes on her twitter:
He's probably not going to sue anyone, but then, it's doubtful that he'll resign either.
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There was Another who was struck for speaking the truth. "If I have spoken evil, give testimony of the evil; but if well, why strikest thou me?"
Maybe he should be made to search his own soul and then answer that same question. It could be the valuable first step in his recovery.
The foul language is also a sign of the demonic - and from a man with Holy Orders. Wholly corrupted by the world, the flesh and the devil. They are not moved by the Faith and the desire to bring it, unadulterated, to all souls, to enable their salvation in Christ Jesus and His unchanging Holy Church.
Such disrespect is reprehensible!! He needs to do more than apologize. Confession would be helpful!!
Am I mistaken, or is Rev. Thomas Rosica, OSB, a Canadian Basilian too? Rosica being the plaintiff in the very recent defamation/libel suit against the Canadian blogger of Vox Cantoris?
Just wondering if this is the same religious order.
Have you been following the 'devout' Mundabor? By your criteria for judging the 'demonic' by the standard of foul language, Mudabor would be dining with the top table in demondom.
Yes, this is the same religious order. The Canadian Basilians are among the worst modernist priests in the country. They are for example very active in the Diocese of London, (where Fr. Rosica serves as President of a university), and they have essentially driven the Faith straight into the ground there over the years. These two priests are just prominent examples of the norm.
Examples?
Our Lady revealed to St. John Bosco about this battle that will break out within the Church. She said among other things, "In those days I will form my own army of souls, I will give them the power to defeat heretics and their heresies, schismatics and their schisms" Modernism is a heresy that is both heretical and schismatic. By the looks of things, traditional minded Catholics are the very army Our Lady spoke of. The Modernists are obviously frantic, recently Bergoglio lashed out against seminarians and priests for their attachment to the Traditional Mass, saying that the reason for their attachment is a "Psychological disorder". Pope Benedict XVl in talking about the Old Mass answered to that some time ago. He stated that those who once held something as sacred and now treat it with contempt, "Have a serious spiritual malady". We traditional minded Catholics must continue the battle for Christ's Holy Catholic Church.
Sounds like an exorcism is needed.
Hey Gabriel, Mundabor's not a priest.
Who said he is, 6:21 pm?
And 5:34, what about the endless, incendiary hate speech about 'faggots'?
Perhaps Mudabor has constructed a safe little deflective wall to draw attention away from a deep, unacknowledged "disorder" on his part.
The Basilians have just been kicked out of another Toronto parish. They have now just one on the campus of the University of Toronto and then of course the University of St. Michael on the same campus.
There is a joke in Toronto.
How many gays at St.Mike's?
Bazillians!
This isn't Mundabor's blog. You know, if you don't like it, Gabriel, don't go there.
How many “Hail Marys” does a priest have to say as penance after publicly using the f-word?
A Hail Mary and an Our Father every night. Much is expected by a priest, so many seem to forget this!
Gaybriel,
How did Mundabor get into this to begin with???? What has he to do with the news about Fr. Scott or this website?
Don't worry though, it's OK. If a progressive maligns a "conservative," , well, the "conservative is anyhow, a dinosaur, it is not as if he feels any pain. If no pain, no harm. And if no harm, no foul.
Time was when the Basilians could round up enough seminarians for intramural ice hockey games. Nowadays, can they even turn out anyone for ice dancing?
Perhaps the author of the tweet in question has confessed and performed penance for the attack against Cardinal Burke.
Rather than bash the person in question, let us show act in merciful fashion.
By the way when it comes to clergy-related sins, let us recall that Saint Peter, our first Pope, denied Jesus three times.
If the Internet had existed then, I suspect that a great many Catholics would have demanded Saint Peter's resignation as Pope.
"How could this man., after his having betrayed our Lord, possibly remain in place as Pope," a great many Catholics would have shouted via the Internet.
Imagine if today's secular news media had existed then. Consider the field day that the likes of The New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, etc., would have had with Saint Peter and his denial of Jesus.
Saint Peter, within and without the Church, would have been shredded into a thousand pieces.
Finally, wouldn't Cardinal Burke show mercy to the author of the tweet in question?
Pax.
Steve
Why doesn't he have mercy on the Catholic laity he claims to serve and resign?
You're obviously failing to see the point. Its not just that he used improper language or made a misstatement. He attacked Burke specifically because Burke is the opposition to his plans to change Roman Catholic doctrine to accept homosexuality. Sure it would make sense to just have mercy and forgive an orthodox priest...but this guy is an avowed heretic...so you're talking nonsense.
How is the word "faggots" incendiary hate speech? Its just accurate. "Gay" isn't accurate, since they're not happy, and that's what "gay" means. "Homosexual" isn't accurate, since everyone is in reality attracted to the opposite sex. Yes, they can choose to be attracted to the same sex too, but then they're not "homo"sexual but "bi"sexual. There's no such thing as a homosexual, and there's no such thing as a "gay" (happy) bisexual....ergo, faggots is the proper term.
We've been hearing this for false irenicism the better part of fifty years. "But you must have mercy on me," hissed the viper, and so on.
The reasons no one pointed a finger at Peter:
1) They all ran away, all, apostle and disciple, except
2) Mary and the women.
And Our Lord came into this world to give His Life for our sins, so Peter's denial was foreseen, allowed for as a weakness-fear for his life in this world- and a "teaching moment," as smart people are wont to say these days. I don't think Fr. Scott's venting at Cdl. Burke brings is parallel or the comparison apt.
I had understood that calls for his resignation were linked to the unfortunate statement that he had directed at Cardinal Burke.
That said, Father Scott thanked those who had chastened him. Apologized for his remark. Then said that it was time for his penance and a "timeout" from Twitter.
In light of his apology, penance and break from posting messages via Twitter, I had thought it appropriate to apply mercy to a person who had expressed sorrow and sought mercy.
Pax.
Steve
Father Scott is an "avowed heretic"?
Is that official from the Church.
I understand having major differences with Father Scott's vision for Holy Mother Church. But to insist that he is a "heretic" is something that I must hear officially from the Church.
This would cost most people in most parts of normal businesses and the Catholic Church once upon a time theor jobs, but accountability doesn't seem to be a high premium here.
They don't declare heretics in the Church any more, but it's hard for a reasonable person to square what Scott has said with what the Church has always taught. My thoughts at this point are that he would always be welcome in the Church of today as long as he isn't actually Catholic.
Anon 11:02...as David said, this isn't an orthodox priest who made a mistake or mis-spoke ; this is a dissenting priest who pushes a heterodox agenda against the Church and her teaching. He's sorry he got nailed; NO metanoia involved.
Fr Scott's expletives serve the function of a distracting diversion. The question we should be asking is this, who is giving Pope Francis his orders? I don't know the answer to that question, but Francis' posturing and verbal clumsiness show clearly he is being schooled to include key phrases and sound-bites in his disjointed and rambling 'talks'.
Whenever one of these clerics is caught in homosexual bullying (see Genesis 19 & Judges 19), why defend them? Remove them before they murder someone!
Also, why do you assume someone has to school Bergoglio -- he's told us repeatedly that his mentors are Martini, Romero, Paul 6, John 23; his friends are Maradiaga, Kasper, Marx, McCarrick etc. Someone is schooling all of them--Satan (the evil spirits they have sworn allegiance to and who have possessed them).
Father Tim Scott, CSB, learned at the hands of a notorious superior - a sodomite and drug user in a Catholic boarding school. Nothing states he new about it, but he lived under the same roof.
http://www.theinquiry.ca/wordpress/accused/charged/marshall-father-william-hodgson-marshall/father-tim-scott-csb-teaching-at-st-marys-college/
I agree with Tancred, sadly it appears that any traditional thought is most unwelcome.
Was not Father Greg Reynolds of Melbourne, Australia, who was accused of heresy, excommunicated in 2013 A.D. by Pope Francis?
Despite that which poster David Brainerd had claimed, I will need to hear it from Holy Mother Church before I accept that Father Scott is an "avowed heretic".
Pax.
Steve
Tancred wrote..."They don't declare heretics in the Church any more, but it's hard for a reasonable person to square what Scott has said with what the Church has always taught. My thoughts at this point are that he would always be welcome in the Church of today as long as he isn't actually Catholic."
-- The Catholic Church most definitely declares and excommunicates, for example, priests whom She has identified as heretics.
-- I understand that Father Scott's vision of the Church doesn't square with that which we (those of us who favor Holy Tradition) support.
I believe that Father Scott's vision for the Church is empty and will perpetuate the horrible crisis of faith which has engulfed Holy Mother.
But when it comes to the horrific label of "heresy", as one poster attached to Father Scott, I am compelled to hear that from Holy Mother Church.
-- Let us not forget that despite the reality that many Catholics oppose, unfortunately, Holy Tradition, we (Traditionalists) are very much welcomed within Holy Mother Church.
Holy Tradition cannot be outlawed. We have every right and reason to hold fast to the Traditional Roman Mass and the Church's holy teachings.
Nobody can take from us that right and duty.
Pax.
Steve
AnonymousFebruary 23, 2015 at 6:03 AM
Anonymous wrote..."Father Tim Scott, CSB, learned at the hands of a notorious superior - a sodomite and drug user in a Catholic boarding school. Nothing states he new about it, but he lived under the same roof."
Then why did you mention Father Scott's name in association with a "sodomite and drug user"?
That is bizarre.
You wouldn't even sign your name to your bizarre post.
Pax.
Steve
Well since you want to remain anonymous, you might as well be Mr. Timothy Scott for all I know. If you aren't the avowed heretic himself, you're pretty naive expecting a heretical hierarchy to call out one of their own as a heretic.
The excommunication of Father Greg Reynolds of Melbourne, Australia is following the rulebook of Marxism 101. In order to let all the other heretics run amock Francis had to sacrifice one of them to give his fellow heretics an example to point at and say "See, Francis excommunicated Father Greg Reynolds of Melbourne, Australia, so if I were a heretic he'd excommunicate me too; therefore, even though I'm pushing for the ordination of women and for the acceptance of homosexual marriage just like Father Greg Reynolds of Melbourne, Australia, I'm obviously not a heretic, because Francis hasn't excommunicated me (wink wink)." Yep, Francis knows the Marxist playbook just as well as Obama. He knows you have to throw one of your own under the bus in fake outrage to pretend to not be for what you're for. The quote in the article says it all, when a shocked Greg Reynolds of Melbourne said:
“I am very surprised that this order has come under his watch; it seems so inconsistent with everything else he has said and done.”
Well, Greg, let me explain it to you: Francis used you to pretend he's not one of you, so that as soon as conservative Catholics were satisfied "Oh, did you see Francis excommunicated one of those homo-priests; he must not really be for the homo-agenda like we thought" he hopped right back on pushing the homo-agenda and many people stopped paying attention and went back to sleep so they don't even know it. So the heretic in chief served your agenda by token excommunicating you.....now do you get it, Greg?
May I interject here just to point out some things Our Saviour said and counseled?
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.” Matthew 18:15-17
“…and the charity of most men will grow cold, as they see wickedness abound everywhere; but that man will be saved who endures to the last.” Matthew 24:12-13
I suggest that perhaps those 'enduring to the last' are the ones who strive mightily to practice the evangelical counsel to charity.
Our Lord even gave us a step-by-step guide for how to proceed with those who might be in error.
Steve,
Are you Catholic or protestant? [Honest question. Your understanding of mercy/judgement seems protestant.]
If you commit a sin and receive forgiveness you still have to pay reparation for the crime, that's why purgatory exists.
Fr. Scott has to go through his own purgatory for the sin and scandal he caused. As a priest his punishment is seventy-fold that of a laymen.
In the secular world Fr. Scott would've lost his job. Before Vatican II Fr. Scott would have been suspended. In modern times he would have been suspended/demoted if he told someone like Cardinal Maradiaga to 'STFU".
Sometimes "sorry" doesn't cut it, as a teacher would tell her trouble-maker student. You still have to suffer the consequences. You maybe "sorry" that you killed someone but being sorry won't bring them back to life.
Praying for those who drift astray, especially priests, is absolutely correct. Moreover, I think you are right in reminding us of this important action that must be taken. But remember this, Steve; when Pope Paul VI introduced his modern Mass, the faith Catholic prayed for him and did not publicly call him out.
And when all of the later bishops introduced Communion-in the-hand, and “extraordinary ministers” and Protestant singing during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, and hand-shaking and “homilies” and every other modernist notion, faithful Catholics again remained quiet and prayed for the perpetrators of these errors. I could go on and on, but you get the point.
Now if you haven’t noticed, Steve, that hasn’t worked out all that good for us or the Church.
No, we should not abandon our prayers, but for the sake of Jesus Christ and the countless souls that are being led astray by these demonically inspired modernist priests, publicly calling them out now and then for what they are certainly can’t hurt anything and who knows, maybe it’ll help.
Tom
If a priest tells you Jesus was a mere man and not God, he's a heretic. You don't need the Church to formally declare him a heretic - use your brain. "My people perish for a lack of knowledge" says the prophet. Just read the Syllabus of Errors or the Catechism of Trent and compare it to what Fr. Scott teaches.
Why is it bizarre?
Father Scott has a long and established history of dissent from the Church's teachings. I think we're far past the meet in private and take him to the bishop stage.
"Our Lord even gave us a step-by-step guide for how to proceed with those who might be in [PERSISTENT, MANIFEST, PUBLIC] error."
Yes. Yes He did....knot the cords well before you begin the whipping.
Steve, I appreciate your point about private confession, which I hope Fr. Scott went to with honest and unreserved penitence and was forgiven. But his penance was private. God may forgive him but he has at the same time compromised his authority as Executive Director of the Canadian Religious Conference, as well as the Conference itself and the Basilians. It's not as though he liquidated a million kulaks, but he did raise a question about the Catholicity of both institutions. His not resigning or being dismissed tells some of us what we need to know, others that their suspicions or grievances are confirmed.
An inmate doesn't receive a pardon from the Governor, or a defendant in a court case a dismissal just because he went to confession. There is always the personal matter and the public matter, the public having a right to form opinions based on public actions.
Barnum is correct, it would be nice if we could all bypass purgatory because we have gone to Confession. Have any of you noticed that Pope Francis has not given many if any, plenary indulgences?
Why would an anonymous poster wish to link Father Scott to "a notorious superior - a sodomite and drug user in a Catholic boarding school" when the poster in question then acknowledged that "Nothing states he (Father Scott) new about it, but he lived under the same roof."
What on earth does an anonymous poster's linkage of Father Scott to "a sodomite and drug user" have to do with the topic at hand — namely, Father Scott's admitted unfortunate Tweet that he had directed at Cardinal Burke?
You don't find anything untoward about that?
Pax.
Steve
"Yes He did....knot the cords well before you begin the whipping."
Is that an example of Scriptural cherry-picking?
Is not the Church's approach to dealing with a heretic — converse with the suspected heretic. Examine the suspected heretic's statements. Attempt to reason with the heretic. If all else has failed, then, for the heretic's sake, apply the merciful decree of excommunication to the heretic — sufficient?
Would that that approach, rather than the hammer-in-hand approach, prove more successful when attempting to deal with a person who may be at odds with Holy Mother Church?
Pax.
Steve
First of all, it was a joke. But not everyone has a sense of humor; I get it.
Second of all, do you really think, for one moment, that this guy doesn't know that he's 180 out from Church teaching on MOST issues? He's spent his life being a dissenter. And there's apparently one thing you and I agree on; he should be excommunicated...along with Pelosi, Biden, Kerry, Kasper, Marx, and a whole lot of other snakes who are leading a whooooole lot of souls to hell, with malice aforethought. Take a good look at how the Fathers dealt with persistent, manifest, public heretics and dissenters in the Church...THAT was mercy; for all parties. This Scott fellow is no better nor any different than Luther or Arias...the poison spreads like wildfire, particularly if given the nod and wink from higher up.
Pollyanna isn't a good look on a guy...not in the face of such a grave danger that needs to be fought. Perhaps it's all the contraceptives in the water supply.....just thinking out loud there, and I'm not kidding about that.
How many Basilians are left in Canada? 100 or so old men 70 or 80+ in age. Big deal!
Anon at 6:52: why don't you go read the documentation at Sylvia's Site renowned in Canada for the intricate detail of clergy sexual abuse. She provides the evidence. He was a teacher at the school under the perverted principal. My error was that I meant "teacher" and I wrote "learned." For that I apologise my mental deficiency.
It is a big deal because they are not all 79 or 80 and there are octogenarian Basilians living in the community who are convicted pederasts. Go research it at Sylvia's Site above. Just because someone is 80 does not mean that they cannot continue in these evil ways and yes, I am serious and that is all that I will write.
It's been my experience that sexual deviants in relgious communities know about and cover for each other. I'd have to wonder how someone could abuse drugs and molest students without a room mate knowing about it, especially when he got caught.
The amazing part is that the spin doctors like "Steve" are just as bad as the perps, because they insist there is no accountability, at least not for deviants and their enablers.
It's all about mercy until you utter something Catholic.
This story is not going away. Voris now links the problems in the Basilian Order and asks the question about the funding of the retainer and the potential lawsuit. He reveals the main corporate funder and asks some relevant questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4T6TGZIhKs
B.I.N.G.O.!
Private sin is not at issue. What is at issue is public, obstinate, scandalous grave sin - a priest opposing the doctrine of the Faith and morals, continually, to Catholics and others, abusing his Holy Orders to lead people away from the Faith, and the moral life, thus endangering their souls.
Regretfully, we can post comment after comment until we are blue in the face, we are, for the most part, speaking to the choir. The demons have crept into the hierarchy of the Church and they are guiding those under them.
That may be your opinion and you're welcome to it, but if it were true, people like "Steve" wouldn't come in here crying for mercy for heretics and Vatican personnel wouldn't be threatening to sue.
And if you doubt the efficacy of these means, you can always pray and fast, those are especially efficacious toward driving out Devils that we describe here.
Gabriel, Mundabor is off topic. Tu quoque isn't a defense for Timothy Scott; it's a diversionary tactic, and it won't work.
I thought that Steve was trying to be a disinterested advocate for Fr. Scott, for whatever reason, and I think this is Steve's vision for the results of the apology
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=monty+python+killer+freed+in+court&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=C78390696A87E70763A4C78390696A87E70763A4
Yes indeed Tom......time to 'rock and roll' with faithful Catholics going PUBLIC with rebuttals to heresy.... write to the Pope, write to you Bishop, talk to your parish priest and parish counsel, form groups of like minded traditional Catholics to PRAY and work together! But in all this: 'Be as gentle as a dove and as sly as a fox'. The time has come to publicly renounce heresy, replaced with TRUTH.
In the words of Jorge Bergoglio "who am I to judge?"
LOL
Who believes that the body and blood of our Lord is present after this "priest" consecrates? Anyone?
Depends upon who ordained him and what rite was used.
Is that an admission by him that he is not a real pope?
Well he does live in Casa Marta, rejecting the papal palace and insists on being called Fr. Bergoglio. Seems like Fr. Bergoglio is trying to tell us something
Just that huh? Here and all this time I thought form, matter, and intention meant something.
If lack of intention to transubstantiate invalidates the mass, then wouldn't the novus ordo automaticall be invalid since novus ordo priests don't even believe in transubstantion? In order to view the novus ordo as valid you will have to take the position either that (1) transubstantiation is false and the bread and wine are only symbolically Christ's body and blood, or (2) that the transubstantiation occurs not when the priest says hoc est corpus meum, but when someone with faith swallows the host. In that case, Thomas Aquinas would be wrong in saying "the Blessed Sacrament is completed by the consecration rather than the reception, whereas baptism is completed in the reception" for it would be in the reception by someone with true faith that the sacrament assumes its validity...otherwise, how can the novus ordo be valid?
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