Guest Post by Manfred Ferrari
There were five brave musketeers, all of the ecclesiastical rank of cardinal. Their great concern was that in the Synod of Bishops in 2014 things were being decided, and they themselves could not accountable to God for it, so they forged a bold plan.
They decided in haste to write a book in which they would lay down their (conservative) opinion. „In der Wahrheit Christi bleiben“ [Remaining the Truth of Christ] Thus the book has been translated into several languages, as well as in German language, a seemingly impossible task, since the date of the synod was approaching. In Germany there was the Echter (Real) publishing house, which was up to the task. As the saying goes "Nomen est Omen" ... Those who today find the book in their publishing prospectus, which has so cleverly hidden the work of 5 cardinals that only historians seem to find it.
The five prelates, among whom Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, Prefect of the Congregation, is recorded as an author, prepared themselves to send their books to the * 200 addressees in the Synod Hall *. Diligent priestly hands laced together the packages and handed them over to the foresight not of the Vatican post, but the Italian government post. A brave decision, but the latter is considered to be rather sluggish and unreliable (As an example: ... the writer received two weeks before had received a letter back that he had sent Cardinal Roger Etchegaray three months earlier, with the comment: unknown recipient). But the agile Cardinals did not calculate their bill with the host, ie with the Synod Secretary Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri, who did not approve of the action of the illustrious Cardinals.
The 200 packs disappeared mysteriously, in any papal cellar archive or were perhaps even destroyed. Only two or three prelates found the book in their post. The enterprising Synod secretary was even compelled to complain to the governor of the Vatican, with the polite request to dismiss the director of the Vatican post ...
To make it clear once again it should be noted: This episode took place in the Vatican and not in the Kremlin. As I have told a friend who has traveled back in those days back to Africa this story, he smiled at me and said mildly, "Manfred why are you angry. In South Sudan it's not doing better ... "
Text: Manfred Ferrari
Image: Chiesa e postconcilio
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
Link to Katholisches...
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Image: Chiesa e postconcilio
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
Link to Katholisches...
AMDG
The masons...
ReplyDeleteVito Corleone and his capos.....and francis has the unmitigated GALL to lecture the mafia on their wickedness. pot, meet kettle.
ReplyDeleteMarxist THUGS.
After the vitriol and teenage pouting, Susan, have you any evidence to implicate Francis. You would, no doubt, be acquainted with the wise moral principle, 'Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.'
DeleteYes the Devil is AT HOME in the Vatican. Here he does whichever he wants. This is a huge scandal even greater than that of the Vatican bank.
ReplyDeleteWill the Pope order an investigation? I am not so sure...
Everyone know Francis and company did it. LOL!!!!
ReplyDeleteThis Pope is quickly becoming the biggest farce in Italy. I read some websites (some in Italian), and it is amazing how quickly the adulation they had for Francis is quickly becoming disgust, revulsion, and even hate.
Good riddance. It is well deserved. Maybe these people in the College of Cardinals will elect a Catholic the next time ! :)
Who's 'everyone'?
DeleteAmbit claims won't even get near an inquiry either at the CDF or in a secular tribunal.
You are clearly upset with Francis to the point of holding him up to arbitrary contempt. You should know that there are a number of options for you: Econe or the ChristChaos circus tent.
Hey Gab....here's one for you personally; it might not be up to your (Jesuit?) grammar standards, but the meaning is there...
Deleteputans se esse sapientes stulti facti sunt
You might want to do a little reading and logic synthesis before shooting an immature mouth off. Here's a start....come back when you're finished....
https://mundabor.wordpress.com/the-francis-papers/
http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/02/magisterium-in-era-of-francis.html
QED
DeleteADHD. LGBT. BLT.
DeleteChicago style politics. Gaybriel, don't be so harsh with Susan, she brings to mind the first principle of a US Government publication on assessing the internal controls of an organization: "The ethical tone is set by top management." Of course, this principle has been known since the Roman Republic, I just don't have an apt & snappy Latin quote at hand.
ReplyDeleteThen better not to accuse the Pope of wrong doing without a shred of evidence which would stand up in a court of law. It's always a sound principle, articulated two millennia ago by a wise old Jew, 'What you hate for yourself, do not do to another. This is the whole of the Law and the Prophets. The rest is commentary, now go and study it.
DeleteJesus repeated this principle in Matthew 7: 12.
Maybe you should recall one yourself, Gabriel...Woe to those who call evil good.
DeleteMake that TWO. Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Nobody sinned here but YOU, Gabby.
Hey Gaybriel, if you read halfway closely, you'll see that Susan did not say the Pope did it. She was pointing out the irony of mafia-like stunts happening in a jurisdiction where the head has publicly inveighed, rightly obviously, against the Mafia, and exhorted them to cease and repent.
DeleteThere was a wise old Jew that Our Lord, the First Principle, repeated?
I don't hear Susan answering for herself just a chorus of deflection and projection.
DeleteGrow up Gabriel. Of course Francis is aware of this....he's put the capo in place, and they follow his bidding. Look at the evidence in front of your eyes every single, solitary day like Chinese water torture, or don't. I have neither time nor care to engage fools. We'll all have to answer for our decisions and our words. Good luck with that. I have no pangs of conscience for mine.
DeleteSince you are so certain of the alleged criminal behaviour of Pope Francis, you have an obligation in Canon Law to delate him to the Dean of the College of Cardinals and to the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
DeletePlease inform the reader of your progress.
Gaybriel, I would never have guessed that you or Susan are Canon Lawyers. Since you know so much about Canon Law, why not you help her out by telling her where to start the process? And swiftly, without delate.
DeleteShe needs someone to do her homework to say nothing of a third party intervening in the conversation!
DeleteCardinals write their input on the defense of the Family. The input is published as a book. Catholics and non-Catholics rush to get their copies. Pope Francis is outraged at the audacity of those who would publish such a book!. Pope Francis orders Cardinal Muller of the CDF to distance himself from this book. Pope Francis may or may not have anything to do with the disappearance of these books. Only this is for sure, Francis didn't shed a tear over it. Now had it been 200 Koran's or 200 Torah's that this happened to! Well you can guess the reaction from Pope Francis.
DeleteNo, you are doing the 'guessing.' There is an enormous amount of guessing, asserting, speculation, blaming, accusing, condemning etc going on around here.
DeleteLike Jesus said: "Do not do to others what you would not have them do to you. This is the whole of the Law and the Prophets."
Hands up those who are exempt!
Gabriel, One example out of thousands. Considering that Pope Francis in a meeting with Evangelical Protestants apologized to them, on account of Catholics who in the past prevented them from growing. Stating that those Catholics were diabolically possessed. We don't need to guess much, the writing is on the wall. With the words of Jesus that you quote, Oh! that the modernists would take Christ seriously.
DeleteIt would be a very wise move not to restrict your suspicion of warning just to the modernists, whatever that might mean.
DeleteTake a good long, honest look around this DB for the expressions of subterranean rage and open contempt for Pope Francis.
Francis is certainly aware of the disparition of the 200 books as he too is aware of the Volpi's fiasco.
DeleteNow let's see the results of the investigation in the Vatican posts (if any is ordered, that's not so sure) and if Volpi, the well named, is dismissed after having acknowledged he lied and slandered the Manelli family.
Two mini scandals in a row: If nothing happens within a few weeks then our opinion will be made about Francis.
Hey "Gabriel"....read it, and read it clear....
DeleteM.A.R.X.I.S.T. Thugs.
Has there never been a pope who was above contempt? Surely Pope Francis' machinations are contrived to create an atmosphere of tolerance for sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance.
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DeleteIts funny the only guy defending Rabbi Bergogglio appears to be a fellow unbelieving Jew. The quote "'What you hate for yourself, do not do to another. This is the whole of the Law and the Prophets. The rest is commentary, now go and study it" is not Jesus from Matthew 7, but the unbelieving rabbi Hillel. I guess the Bergogliite Jew didn't think anyone would know the New Testament well enough to catch that.
DeleteDavid, Christian courtesy and factual accuracy would suggest that the person you misname is Pope Francis.
DeleteIn Matthew 7:12 Jesus refers to the teaching of Hillel and accepts it as his own. Jesus expands on it later in the Gospel: 22: 34-40.
If you are going to comment on Scripture or anything else for that matter, do so from a position of accuracy not blind rage and abysmal ignorance.
"Jesus refers to the teaching of Hillel and accepts it as his own." (Gabriel)
DeleteWrong. The authors of the Talmud took Jesus' teaching and attributed it to Hillel.
Hillel lived well before the Talmud and was perhaps still living when Jesus was very young.
Delete" Hillel lived well before the Talmud and was perhaps still living when Jesus was very young." (Gabriel)
DeleteThat's irrelevant. The only written source we have claiming that Hillel said this is the Talmud, written circa 500 AD. Even if you assign as late a date as 70 AD to the first gospel, that's 430 years passing before anyone writes down that Hillel said this. So its obvious that the Talmudists simply saw that Jesus had said something wise which they wanted to include in the Talmud, but they couldn't include it as being from Jesus so they attributed it to Hillel. To say otherwise is to be a faithless Jew. What you are saying is that Jesus taught nothing unique but just regurgitated what the rabbis taught, and that is heresy. So keep defending this claim all you want: you're only outing yourself further as an unbeliever.
The Talmud also attributes a saying "Man was made to be lord of the sabbath not the sabbath to be lord of man" to a certain rabbi (I forget the name)...that sounds like Jesus' saying "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath" followed by "the son of man is lord even of the sabbath." So what's going on here, Gabriel? In classic unbeliever fashion, again, you will probably claim that Jesus is regurgitating rabbinic teaching rather than the other way around....despite the fact that the written sources for Jesus saying this were written in the first century and the Talmud was written circa 500 AD....but since you don't believe Jesus is the Son of God, you have to make him just a plagiarizer of the rabbis, just like Vatican II would have it.
DeleteHere Gabriel, an entire website of Jesus/Talmud parallels for you to play the heretic with.
DeleteLet your Yes be Yes and your No be No. - Matthew 5:34-37
A righteous yes is a Yes; a righteous no is No. - Talmud: Bava Batra 49b
Who plagiarized who? You will say "Bava Batra lived before Jesus." Ah, but even if he did (I know that's just the name of the book) this was written in 500 AD!!!! The gospels were written in the first century!
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. - Matthew 11:25
Rabbi Johanan said: Since the Temple was destroyed, prophecy has been taken from prophets and given to fools and children. - Talmud: Bava Batra 12b
This one actually shows that the sayings in the Talmud are QUOTING JESUS since no character before Jesus could speak of the temple's destruction as past. Its the same with all the parallels: they quote Jesus without admitting it.
Now Gabriel, if you try and take the same tactic as that website and say "Yeshua supported much of what they [the Pharisees] taught, as he often quoted from the Mishnah (the early portion of the Talmud) which is an entirely Pharisaic document" and proceed to claim that the Mishnah existed in Jesus time, understand that although the Mishnah is earlier than the full Talmud, it is not that early. The full Talmud was put together in 500 AD...and when was the Mishnah written? 200 AD!!!!! So how could Jesus be quoting it? But the gospels were written in the first century, so surely the Mishnah can be quoting Jesus without admitting it, or quoting phrases which Jesus taught which somehow had over the course of a century and a half entered into the public consciousnesses of the Jews...in other words, some of Jesus' teaching sank in over that one and a half century, and it got written down into the Mishnah....what's so hard to understand about that?
DeleteLet us hear, Gabriel, who wrote the Mishnah and when:
Delete"The Mishnah consists of 63 tractates codifying Jewish law, which are the basis of the Talmud. According to Rabbi Abraham ben David, the Mishnah was compiled by Rabbi Judah the Prince in anno mundi 3,949, or what is also the year 500 of the Seleucid Era, which date corresponds to 189 CE." (Wikipedia article on Judah the Prince)
And when the Talmud?
"The Talmud has two components. The first part is the Mishnah (Hebrew: משנה, c. 200 CE), the written compendium of Rabbinic Judaism's Oral Torah (Torah meaning "Instruction", "Teaching" in Hebrew). The second part is the Gemara (c. 500 CE), an elucidation of the Mishnah and related Tannaitic writings that often ventures onto other subjects and expounds broadly on the Hebrew Bible. The term Talmud can be used to mean either the Gemara alone, or the Mishnah and Gemara as printed together." (Wikipedia article on the Talmud)
And you dare claim that Jesus was quoting one or both of these documents that are clearly quoting him?
Read what I wrote,
DeleteWrite something worth reading.
DeleteI do but when it gets to close to your willingness to engage on some issues you press the delete button. I notice this is a rather selective choice on your part.
DeleteSounds like classic projection.
DeleteIf this is a not-too-scholarly book, and it is faithful, the Cardinals should copyright it and sell it across the world. They already have the publisher, Catholics are hungry for adult, sober, God-centered catechesis and apolegetics.
ReplyDeleteSorry, I didn't realize it is already published.
Deletehttp://www.amazon.com/Remaining-Truth-Christ-Marriage-Communion/dp/1586179950/ref=as_sl_pc_qf_sp_asin_til?tag=whatdoesthepr-20&linkCode=w00&linkId=EKQKG4EUOJGKTR3K&creativeASIN=1586179950
It is a very cogent and comprehensive but short and simple-in-presentation book, covering all aspects of the sacrament of marriage, the Eucharist and Confession that come into play in relation to the evil suggestion that people who leave their spouses and "marry" another under civil law may receive Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament. It's truly awful that things have got so bad, due to the Holy See and its Synod of Bishoos, etc., that such basic truths must be explained in detail.
Deletehttp://www.newsmax.com/EdwardPentin/Pope-Francis-Cardinal-Walter-Kasper-Cardinal-Gerhard-Muller-Vatican/2015/02/25/id/626811/
ReplyDeleteOh, these accusers are just hatin' on Francis! It's a conspiracy to overthrow the pope! Ay carumba!! Somebody call Mike Vorass!
Too many rude people posting here. Whatever your opinion...please respect this blog and show respect for each other - as real Catholics would and should.
ReplyDeleteTess
Who decides on who is a 'real Catholic' and who is not?
DeleteKasper says he planned out the "New Mercy" with +Bergoglio's and that he agrees and his man Baldisseri didn't think the treatise was suitable for the talk.
ReplyDeleteWe announced the forthcoming book by Ignatius Press months before the synod too.
I think Gabriel is being childish.
Kasper and Volpi are claiming to everybody who has ears to hear that they have the full support of the Pope and that they work with him in close connection. Until now the Pope didn't rebuke them.
DeleteBaldisseri doesn't take a dump without francis's OK, and anyone who 'can't' see the nest of vipers on full display by their own actions and words, has skin-in-the-game to keep up the farcical illusion that "everything's just fine".
DeleteGabriel knows the score...he's playing for the other team. But the funny thing is, we know from Revelation that his team loses in a romp at the final buzzer.
He is feigning ignorance, just as he projects an irrational ignorance onto the Pope, who has consistently opposed the Faith and morals for decades.
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DeleteHow can you be so certain that Francis was feigning anything? What you are suggesting looks very much to me as a classic projection.
DeleteBeware.....Gaybtiel here is actually Fr. Rosica. He will sue everybody...,.hehehe.
ReplyDeleteI'd bet et a large sum that he's some sort of dissenting cleric.
DeleteRumors of attempts planning to overthrow the Pope? I hope the plot to overthrow Francis succeeds.
ReplyDeleteThere's an old verse from the old classic 1976 BBC mini-series "I Claudius" which totally describes Pope Francis and his associates.
It is when Claudius, realizing that he is slowly being poisioned by those against him, sees the corruption that will come when he is gone. So he says to himself:
"Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out".
That's Francis & Company.
Dear Tancred, Have you the means to ensure that no one commenting here is doing so under more than one name?
ReplyDeleteDear Linda, The only way would be to ban anonymous comments, which I'm loathe to do, since this blog is intended to generate attention, even negative (hopefully thoughtful and well intentioned) attention.
DeleteLynda, As for myself I comment under anonymous only because my computer is old. I have to beat my computer up just to get into my google account. And I find using anonymous simple. In the future I will end with my user name.
DeleteWhile I think the pope approves of these men who are doing heinous things, I pray that the pope will have a true conversion and he will become a very holy and saintly pope. Miracles do happen!
ReplyDeleteI'm sure that would be best.
DeleteTo M. Prodigal:
ReplyDeleteYou are to be commended for your thought. Considering Pope Francis, his agenda and associates, I think you are very well intentioned and a good Catholic, but also very naïve to hope that for Pope Francis.
Your wish was very true for Pope Benedict XVI, and also despite his faults, for Pope John Paul II. But for Francis ? It's like wishing for the Himalaya Mountains to overnight turn into solid gold. Impossible.
Scientology is a pretty neat religion.
DeleteLombardi has pooh-poohed and minimized the allegations of mail-tampering. Lombardi is not Baldisseri's creature. He isn't Kasper's or Marx's. He's the Pope's. Lombardi functions as papal spokesman presumably because he represents the Pope's views. He isn't going to displease his boss to please the stooge Baldisseri. Draw your own conclusions.
ReplyDeleteThe only alternative is to believe that Bergoglio/Francis is only the creature of Baldisseri, Kasper and the rest of that mafia. Are we to credit a view of him as a pitiful puppet? I don't buy it. I believe Francis is pulling the strings.
I have just read that Edward Pentin has revealed who the culprit is that is responsible for the missing 200 books. It was the Synod Chief Cardinal Baldisseri. It is said that criminal charges may be filed for tampering with the Vatican's Postal Service. The Postal Service it is reported, tried to stop him but he did it anyway. If Pope Francis didn't know it then, he knows it now. Cardinal Baldisseri need not fear, as Francis is "Humble and Merciful". Had a traditionalist done something like this, then that traditionalist would have reason to fear and tremble at the humility and mercy of Pope Francis. Ask the FFI.
ReplyDeleteAndrew
One problem is that they used the Italian post.
DeleteI am afraid that, if the Devil is at work in the Roman Catholic Church, it is almost impossible to stop him.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, only daily prayers for a long time by ALL those who work in the Vatican, together with repeated exorcisms everywhere in the Vatican State would succeed in expelling the Devil.
Jesus gave us all the means to prevent this terrible situation happening but the pride of the men in charge despised them. The prayer to St Michael that Jesus asked Pope Leo to draw, which he ordered to be recited at the end of all masses was abrogated by Paul VI.
WHY ?!!!
The late Father Malachi Martin asserted that a satanic ceromony of enthronement of Satan in the Vatican was held by some priests and prelates in 1963 during Paul VI's papacy.
The result is that the power of the Devil in the Church never was so strong as currently.