(Rome) Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke, Cardinal Patron of the Sovereign Order of Malta , was received on Thursday by Pope Francis in audience.
The American cardinal, born in 1948, was ordained a priest by Pope Paul VI after completing his theological studies at the Gregorian University in Rome in 1975 by Pope Paul VI. In the United States he was active in counseling and education, then completed a doctorate in canon law at the Gregorian University and returned in 1984 to the United States where he worked in pastoral care and as Vice-Chancellor of his home diocese in Wisconsin. Because of his reputation as an excellent canonist Pope John Paul II. brought him to Rome as defender of the bond of marriage in the Supreme Court of the Apostolic Signatura in Rome.
In 1994 he was appointed bishop of his home diocese of La Crosse, 2003, then an appointment as Archbishop of St. Louis and in 2008 by Pope Benedict XVI. appointed him Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura in Rome and thus to the Dicastry Head of the Roman Curia.
On November 10, 2014, the Holy See Press Office announced in its day Bulletin that Cardinal Burke was replaced as Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura on November 8 and made Cardinal patron of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta.
The relatively young cardinal was thus removed as Dicastry Head, away from the Roman Curia and deported to a post of honor without a role in church leadership. This unusual degradation was already effective in September. Cardinal Burke himself made public the instructions.
Punishment and Removal from Church Leadership and Synod of Bishops
The American cardinal had, like no other Cardinal of the Catholic Church, expressed criticism in the past few months for the administration, gestures, decisions and statements of Pope Francis. As the Head of a Dicastry, Cardinal Burke was in office because of the Synod of Bishops on the family. There, the conflict came to a head when he openly spoke of "manipulation " and "betrayal" and accused Pope Francis in the way he handled controversial topics in the Synod of Bishops, "to have caused a lot of damage." In October 2015, there will be a second decisive part of the Synod of Bishops. Due to his distance from the Roman Curia, Cardinal Burke can not participate officially. Only the Pope himself could appoint him as a member of the synod, which is yet considered very unlikely.
All observers, no matter what direction, saw the dismissal of a punishment of the Cardinal. Already in the fall of 2013, Pope Francis had severely curtailed the influence of the American Cardinal of his Church leadership by removing him from two congregations. Above all, Burke's influence on the appointment of bishops in the United States, which he had under Pope Benedict XVI, had been completely eliminated. Among the Cardinals, who opposed the defense of the marriage sacrament of the Kasper Group, Cardinal Burke was the real engine. Due to his removal from the Curia, orthodoxy would lose its dynamic head.
Just two months after the demotion, Pope Francis is to receive his critic. Prior to the drastic personnel decision, there was no discussion between the Pope and the Cardinal. Cardinal Francis had only granted one audience, which took place on 11 June-2013. The content of the yesterday's meeting is unknown.
Text: Giuseppe Nardi
image: MiL
image: MiL
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
AMDG
84 comments:
Our Lady watches over Cd. Burke, nothing to worry about.
Being received in audience and being summoned are not quite the same thing: who knows what really went on at the audience?
Some people seem to see the Church as a battlefield between the parties of renewal and reaction (the Manichaean heresy is alive and well), but one wonders why brothers and sisters in Christ cannot accept each other in love and the fact that they sometimes differ in their ideas and opinions. Should we not expect this in relation to the things of God? (If you can understand it, it isn't God, said St. Augustine). Can one "side" really claim that it has all the truth and anyone who disagrees must be damned as a heretic or dissenter?
The Pope can surely expect his cardinals to be loyal or at least express disagreement fraternally and constructively. Cardinal Burke and his supporters should therefore not be surprised at his demotion when he expresses his dissent in the way he does.
I understand, only one side needs to be understood or treated with respect and dignity, while the other side doesn't deserve that treatment.
Savanarola got what he had coming to him.
That is a blatant misreading, Tancred. I do indeed believe that both sides need to be understood and respected and, while not sharing it, I very much respect the traditionalist approach. In fact it is some traditionalists who will not allow the possibility of any beliefs but their own, as you can see from many of these blogs and the comments posted on them.
By the way, the historical figure Savonarola was a victim of corrupt politics allied with the power of institutional religion. To say he got what was coming to him is a shameful remark - would you say the same of Our Lord? Maybe you would like to burn at the stake those whose views you disagree with? This is the sort of hideous distortion of religious belief that results from the lack of mutual respect.
If Pope Francis threatened Cardinal Burke in any way, (such as to keep his mouth shut), I hope Cardinal Burke has the backbone to tell this "pope" respectfully where he can go.
St. Athanasius didn't "allow" beliefs besides his own.
Savanarola got what he had coming to him, he was a heretic.
St Philip Neri venerated him as a saint. The case of Savonarola is a bit more complicated than you allow.
More than likely Francis just needed a catechism lesson.
Savonarola: What expression of dissent by Cardinal Burke merited demotion in your view? Please be specific. Incidentally Pope Francis has denied that he demoted Cardinal Burke and claimed that the changes were amicably agreed.
Maybe Francis invited Burke to address the cardinals at their next meeting!
If Cardinal Burke was serious about the things that he says, he should be in constant contact with his Excellency Bishop Fellay and be discusssing his assumption of leadership with the SSPX.
Burke has the power, the money and the people to lead the SSPX in the overthrow of this pontificate. If he does not, then he is only a bag of wind.
They (the enemy and cohorts) have infiltrated the Church and want to create a new church, the "future" church. That is why anything related to regular Catholicism is being suppressed. In the US, all the loud voices of sanity, including Fr Frank Pavone, have been silenced. They follow an agenda, but we know the end already. It is no wonder Blessed Mother has been appearing near Cleveland, Ohio, for many years, teaching us the TRADITION OF FAITH with the fierce opposition of the bishops there. Please check where "future church" was born. Let us keep fighting with our Rosaries in our hands and following our Commander, the Blessed Virgin Mary, our Mother, whose first command is "Never keep silent. Expose evil and defend the TRUTH always"
God Bless,
Victoria
I meant his dissent, disagreement if you will, from the reforming line being taken by Pope Francis. It is a strange way of being amicable for the Cardinal to continue protesting as he does.
Well said, Anon. Tancred badly needs to read some history if he wants to be taken seriously.
Cardinal Burke is the true humble one who is also a true son of the Church. He is not going to overthrow the pope or go SSPX. But he will not be silent in the face of ambiguity and heterodoxy either. A number of the men in the pope's inner circle are scandalous and unfaithful. Confusion reigns. Cardinal Burke is clear in what he says. I think he is a saint in the making. It takes courage to stand up to the pope. St. Paul even had to do it to the first one.
As long as ++ Burke doesn't come out carrying balloons we're okay.
Pope Francis is a nightmare. But let's face it, it all started with the sick modernism that infected the completely unnecessary Vatican Council II and then exploded from the shadows of the ambiguous documents into the thoroughly destructive "spirit" of the Council in the following years.
Some have kept things capped and attempted to stabilize (thank you Pope Benedict XVI and even St. John Paul II), but let's face it: the curtain has been pulled back on the real situation within the Church. Pope Francis is truly a Vatican II Pope.
Burke gave vows to a nun who had a sec change.If you don't believe me,look it up.He also tried to close a traditional Latin mass parish to pay for sec scandal lawsuit money.
Sex change*
Sex scandal lawsuits*
Sorry typos
Well...even if true he is a threat to Foney Francis. So good on him!
In the end, Burke didn't allow the sex-change nun, and the whole issue was ended.
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/01/08/radical-feminism-is-assaulting-the-church-says-cardinal/
Pope Francis stated publicly that he wants to be criticized. Cardinal Burke was being obedient to the pope.
The same people who ruthlessly attacked the Wojtyla-Ratzinger papacies are now demanding silence from Francis dissenters. It looks like the "French Revolution of the Catholic Church" has just turned into the Reign of Terror.
There is nothing "reforming" about fostering heresy, destroying the sacraments and defying the plain teaching of Our Lord. The Cardinal is only doing what every Catholic is called to do at their Confirmation: defending the faith.
Victoria, if you are referring to the Holy Love false apparitions, they have been condemned.
Savonarola's prophecy of Florence becoming a temporal and spiritual empire went to dust. Florence instead became the center of Italian Freemasonry.
St. Philip Neri was biased because he was a Florentine taught by the San Marco Dominicans.
Savonarola was esteemed by Martin Luther, French Huguenots and many other Calvinist sects. Savonarola was a Millenarian pure and simple. He should be named patron heretic of American Protestantism. Savonarola's puritanism would make Oliver Cromwell blush. Savonarola hated classical education and he was an iconoclast who burned great works of art and classic works of literature. Savonarola's hatred of the material was borderline heretical and resembled Calvinism more than it did Catholicism.
Like all heretics - Savonarola said some good and holy things, but that doesn't excuse him for being a proto-Calvinist and arguably the godfather of modern day Millenarian sects.
Cardinal Burke should contact the SSPX. He would be appreciated there. He would bring tens of thousands of faithful to the True Church, and this would help bring the heretic pope down.
Faithful Catholics and traditionalists must rally to the cause of rebelling against and bringing down the modernist and heretical pontificate of Francis and his associates.
If Francis beatifies, or even waves the rules and canonizes Oscar Romero, the leftist bishop of El Salvador, look for the rebellion against him in the Vatican and around the world to grow 100x more.
It's not happening. That wouldn't be prudent.
Pope Francis is extremely sick and has all the symptoms of a potential heart failure. At the very least Francis has Stage C CHF, maybe even D. He keeps talking about how he only has a few years left as pope, this is likely referring to a diagnosis from his doctors. On top of that he only has 1 lung!
Francis will have to face another humid Roman summer followed by an extremely stressful synod in October. Francis went through a similar year in 2014 and his body suffered greatly with a litany illnesses. The stress for Francis will be incredible this year as 2015 and early 2016 will be the most important time period in his papacy because of the synod.
Barring a miracle from God, Francis will most likely not see the year 2017. On top of all that Bp. Fellay goes on Ignatian Retreat each year so he has a very old school Jesuit mindset, he wont make any radical moves in a time of short crisis.
Edward Pentin wrote about this very topic in June or so of 2014. After a series of colds, fevers, exhuastion, and weight gain, Pentin consulted a doctor who suggested Francis could be suffering CHF. The doctor, however, was only basing things off pictures and video.
Not long after that, Farther Zuhlsdorf wrote on his website his sources said Francis was not suffering from anything serious. I believe he implied Francis' weight gain was due to a new found love of food and eating.
Having said that, it does appear to me Francis has aged since his election. While in Argentina, he also suffered from various ailments, but those don't seem to be a problem these days, or at least we haven't hear about them. And considering how the Vatican leaks like a sieve, I would expect we'd have heard about it.
Regardless, I'm 37 and I so hope I live long enough to see Pius XIII. Given the trajectory these last two years, I'm not so sure that will happen.
If he did join the SSPX,he needs to ordained & concecrated in the pre-june 1968 rite.
I agree. SSPX is not the way to go. The spiritual battle is within and it's inside where it is fought. The Church is being attacked by the Evil One both from the inside and the outside, but the greater danger comes from the inside.
We can help in the fight by doing Cdl. Burke's prayer request: Please pray the Chaplet of the Holy Face.
"Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered. And let those who hate Thee flee from before Thy face."
I hold no particular brief for the historical Savonarola despite using his name, but am surprised by this tirade of name-calling. (Is this the same 'Anonymous' who posted before?) This sort of thing more and more convinces me that the term heresy should be consigned to the dustbin of history along with all other outdated rubbish.
But of course Pope Francis would also say he is defending the faith. My original point was that since we do differ in how we think this should be done, we should learn how to live with differences in Christian charity (if we are Christians). Throwing about accusations of heresy is not the way to do it.
Yes, he probably has heart problems...
but popes have access to advanced medicine...Ratzinger had a stroke in 1991 and had a history of heart problems... and is still alive at 87...
Cardinal Burke would never contact the SSPX because he is a liberal modernist at heart. he has only come lately to some traditional praxis as the previous pope made it respectable to do so. Thinking of him as a fully traditional cardinal is a complete misunderstanding.
LeonG you need to catch up with what's happening nowadays. The SSPX is making alliances to return to Rome, I seriously doubt they would even jeopardize that by taking on Cardinal Burke. Incidentally, many have pointed out that the SSPX appears to be selling out on the mission started by Archbishop LeFebvre in fighting vatican 2. Cardinal Burke, much like Pope Benedict changed as they went through the course of their lives, I'm not saying they're perfect but you should understand there is no "SSPX vs. Rome" anymore. Pius IX, a certain saint started liberal and became a great fighter for Catholic truth so don't be so black and white in your judgements. The SSPX for better or for worse is heading back to Rome. Bishop Fellay says at least by his actions that it's for the better. Bishop Williamson says it's for the worse. Either way it is the reality now.
No, S, a true friend tells us the truth - whether we desire to hear it or not. That was, and so far as I can see remains, the stance taken by Raymond Cardinal Burke, in his service of the Holy Father; it was the Sovereign Pontiff who introduced the desire that criticism be free, wholesome, and fraternal, and this Card B has not exceeded. True, what he (and others) have had to say stands squarely in opposition to what is presented by those who say they speak for the Sovereign Pontiff (and who may well do so); but that opposition is not between opposing opinions alone, rather between witness to the Faith - as clearly documented, witnessed, and lived in the Church - and the itching-ear desire to hear something new, not of the Faith, and quite different to all that the Church professes (if only in smooth soap-soapy words not in doctrinal clarity).
GBOP etc
"The same people who ruthlessly attacked the Wojtyla-Ratzinger papacies are now demanding silence from Francis dissenters."
Remarkable how often this glaring hypocrisy is overlooked.
Suddenly, so many progressives have become ultramontanists on steroids.
"This sort of thing more and more convinces me that the term heresy should be consigned to the dustbin of history along with all other outdated rubbish."
By what other means will we be able to describe teaching that is in direct contravention to the dogma and doctrine of the Church? If my pastor were to come out and deny the Trinity, merely claiming that Jesus was an inspired human, how would that not be a clear case of repudiation of Church dogma? And if it is, by what other name should we call it?
And considering how the Vatican leaks like a sieve, I would expect we'd have heard about it.
Perhaps. But the Vatican has long leaked like a sieve. And yet the old adage remains: The Pope is always in good health until the announcement of his death.
it all started with the sick modernism that infected the completely unnecessary Vatican Council II...
It all started well before Vatican II, I'm afraid.
But there's no question the crisis rapidly escalated and metastasized in the 1960's.
He also tried to close a traditional Latin mass parish to pay for sec scandal lawsuit money.
What are you even talking about? I'm from St. Louis, and I don't have a clue what you're referring to.
Archbishop Burke set up two - not one, but two - personal parish oratories for exclusive use of the Traditional Latin Mass. And he did so fairly quickly.
I'm not interested in dialogue with the deaf and over sophisticated inarticulate ones.
There's none of that, just a fight to the death and anyone who believes otherwise is seriously deluded.
Wrong he gave vows to a trans-sexual nun.Simply look it up,don't take my word!
Did you know he was in Milwaukee at one time? Look it up don't take my word for it.This is the truth,stop denying his actions.
@Dane It's good he gave vows to a transsexual nun & tried to shut down a successful self sufficient traditional Latin mass parish? Wow no wonder Novus ordo land is a hopeless sad imploding wasteland.
Burke is a politician who has suddenly switched sides to further his own self interest.Before Jorge,he was typical radical leftist.Thank the Lord I have a traditional parish & priest.If fellas like Burke were my moral guides, I would be staying home on Sunday & saying the 15 rosary.DEO GRATIAS
Burke a politician who "suddenly switches sides"? Huh? I've been following him for years, he's been nothing if not consistent. Today he's one of the few voices opposing Pope Francis and his bewildering, non Catholic statements and actions.
Was Cardinal Burke summoned or received?...
The words imply different things. Was Cardinal Burke asked to come or did he show up and was welcomed? Was the audience part of the daily mass at the Saint Martha apartment or was it something else. Could the author of the post update with more information. Thanks
I just read from Rorate Caeli that Cardinal Burke was to say mass at a parish in Rome on January 10th "Cardinal Burke will be celebrating a Solemn Pontifical Mass in the Extraordinary Form at the Basilica di San Nicola in Carcere tomorrow morning (Saturday, 10th January) at 11.00 am.
The Basilica is centrally located at: Via del Teatro di Marcello, 46, 00186 ROME" So since he was in the vicinity, Cardinal Burke was received in an audience with Pope Francis{?} Who knows?
When you say, "SSPX is not the way to go", then you are saying Catholicism and the true Catholic Mass in the Latin Rite is not the way to go. SSPX is the defender of over 1,900 years of the deposit of Faith, which has been under attack by Newchurch since Vatican II council. Shame on you.
You are right, Tancred, there is no point in a dialogue of the deaf, but who is being deaf? You will not countenance the thought that anyone could disagree with you. All I am saying is that we should listen to each other and that apart from core beliefs in God the Trinity, Christ as his Son, everything to do with God is mystery. Listen to St. Augustine: 'If you can understand it, it is not God'! If this is so should we not be circumspect in accusing others of heresy and dissent and pretending that the the dogma and doctrine of the Church is always as clear and straightforward as some want to make out?
Is this too sophisticated for you? I have at least tried to make it articulate.
Of course the Trinity too and the divinity of Christ are mysteries of faith. Who can fathom them? Who can know definitively what they mean for us?
@Anonymous 8:09
ROFL You are an utterly graceless moron.
What I have stated are facts that can be verified.
I know perfectly well what Fellay is doing and I have expressed my opinion about this, in several places, since he began his ill-conceived sell-out ventures. Indeed, he has led a total revision of Archbishop Lefebvre's own sensible position viz; Liberal Modern Rome and "Eternal Rome". Bishop Fellay was out-manoeuvred by Ratzinger and he will be deceived by this disgraceful papacy. This will cost the SSPX more members and priests. One has to ask oneself if he isn't gratuitous in his intentions as an entente with Rome is a waste of time, energy and space.
As for Burke - he is a johnny-cum-lately and will have to go all the way if he is to convince true Roman Catholics that he is root-and-branch traditionalist. His past denies this but the future rests with him.
Finally, here, anyone who does deals with this papacy is dancing with the Devil. Liberal modernists, and more so radical ones, are enemies of The Church.
That's a good point. A pope is in good health until he's dead. Still, I think a lot of people who are upset, horrified, and depressed by Bergoglio are looking for anything that signals is time as Pope is short. I understand the sentiment, but I think Bergoglio's own comments about not much time have been misinterpreted.
From what I've seen, Bergoglio strikes me as someone loves the power he now has and intends to use it forcefully. More than one story has said he acts strongly and on his own council. That tells me he believes he has a unique moment to reshape the Church in his own image and that appears to be what he's doing.
So when Bergoglio speaks of a short time, I think he's speaking more about the fact he won't have JPII length papacy. In Church years, an eight year papacy would definitely be a short time frame considering its 2000 year history. So I think he's saying he's got a lot to do, but it probably will take more than just a decade to finish.
Regardless, until otherwise confirmed, I think health rumors are just that. Rumors.
Giuseppe Nardi mentioned of constantly hearing rumors about resignation in his piece posted here on December 28. Has he written a story about what those rumors entail, or has he only made glancing references to them?
hmph....funny how heretics always want the word heresy consigned to the dustbins of history.
The SSPX will play out to be the preservation of the Faith, kept in pristine condition, by the will of God. Be very careful you who rabidly criticize them....they have been shown to have a supernatural protection and have flourished, again by the will of God. They will yet be shown to be a select instrument in His hands to set things aright. Heed the words of Gamaliel.
And precisely because of this sort of comment - the casual mindless bandying around of the term as nothing more than an indiscriminate insult. If it comes to that, I would not be surprised to discover that you are one of the many contributors to these blogs who are in full thrall to the Manichaean heresy.
Pope Francis must think he is a true friend telling us the truth, and probably is not surprised when some people do not want to hear it. Anon. clearly thinks the truth is what he wants to agree with. We might at least agree that we are all like that.
I did not say the Francis dissenters should be silent, nor did I attack the previous papacies. I expect we all have doubts in one way or another about most papacies, as I do of Pope Francis. But as an orthodox Catholic I believe in being loyal to the Pope.
Accusations of hypocrisy are as cheap as those of heresy.
ahhhhh, spoken like a true liberal narcissist....apparently only you are the one to be permitted to use the word heresy.
Savonarola...there are some ideas that simply go directly against Christ's teaching and the Deposit of Faith. They are irreconcilable, and can in no way be treated with "mutual respect". As St. Polycarp retorted to the heretic Marcion, "yes I know who you are; you're a spawn of hell and the firstborn of satan". Guess you would have chided this great Father as being far too harsh....can't you just get along with your fellow Christian?
St. John Chrysostom: "Neither do we offer any part of that hope to the ungodly heretics, but we place them entirely outside of that hope; indeed, they have not the least participation in Christ, but vainly assume for themselves that saving Name.”
But by all means Savonarola, correct this great Doctor of the Church.
There is nothing new under the sun, and I say it once again' funny how heretics always want the word heresy consigned to the dustbins of history (except as THEY wish to use it). And that's no 'indiscriminate insult'...it's very discriminate, at least in the current case.
And one more thing....who the heck chooses to use a name for themselves of someone or something they don't thoroughly admire? You're full of beans.
You chose a profile name of a person who was a puritanical millenarian, you were called out for it, and then you dismissed it as name calling because you finally learned that your so-called martyr was the embodiment of everything you hate about religion. I'm sorry, but maybe next time you need to open a history book before naming yourself after someone. Savonarola's iconoclasm and hatred for art and classical education was on par with a modern day Wahhabi Muslim. Savonarola's end times fanaticism was on par with Tim LaHaye and fundamentalist baptists. This isn't an insult or name calling, it's an accurate historical portrait held by even those who sympathize with Savonarola (e.g. Calvinists).
The fact that you hate the term "heresy" means you hate truth, you hate identifying something for what it is (i.e. good vs evil, truth vs lies, sex vs rape), you hate science and learning just like Savonarola when he burned the books of the great Greco-Roman scholars. You've added nothing to the discussion, whenever someone makes an argument you just plug your ears and scream "insult!" at the top of your lungs.
The term mystery doesn't mean that something is unknowable, it means that something can only be known by Divine Revelation. Jesus Christ established a Church which is the "pillar and foundation of truth" [1 Tim 3:15], which was established to teach the flock about the truths of the Faith. Heretics such as Nicolaists have been around since the time of the apostles and since those times the Church had to condemn error and distinguish truth from error, virtue from vice, dogma from heresy.
St. Augustine said it best, a heretic is worse than a murderer. Murder kills the body. Heresy kills the soul and sends it to eternal hellfire.
I think Francis simply reminded Cardinal Burke that he took the "1989 PROFESSION OF FAITH" http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_1998_professio-fidei_en.html they all take and which says:
"...Moreover, I adhere with religious submission of will and intellect to the teachings which either the Roman Pontiff or the College of Bishops enunciate when they exercise their authentic Magisterium, even if they do not intend to proclaim these teachings by a definitive act."
This is the reason even the best intentioned cardinals are totally impotent. Francis doesn't have to sit on The Chair to impose his Modernism.
the authentic Magisterium CANNOT contradict the Deposit of Faith. Period.
You are right. But through the "1989 Profession of Faith", they control the clergy. Not many are willing to give up pensions...like the "common man" they (cardinals) measure the risks they are willing to take to appear "conservative" or even "traditionalists" when they are in reality part of the problem.
You'd have to be pretty dense to believe that.
Take a hike.
No doubt that the good cardinal is being "called on the carpet". This is his final warning. After this, he will be silenced in one way or another. Francis will brook no interference to his world agenda.
Yes, in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries we were warned that the "smoke of satan" had already entered the Church.
Did you know he was in Milwaukee at one time?
I know His Eminence has visited Milwaukee on a number of occasions, certainly. But he was never the ordinary there. He first diocese was, in fact, that of La Crosse, which is on the other side of the state. While he was there, his most notable connection with the Traditional Mass was that he established a personal parish for the exclusive use of the TLM under the pastoral care of the Institute of Christ the King at St. Mary's in Wassau in 1999 (it is titled the Oratory of the Immaculate Conception).
So I don't know what you're talking about. I can find no evidence online of Bishop Burke shutting down any TLM in La Crosse.
Look it up don't take my word for it.
Methinks you, sir, are under the obligation to provide the link, and the evidence. Otherwise, you are engaged in calumny.
No American bishop has done more for the promotion and growth of the Traditional Mass than Cardinal Burke.
Wow. Tough audience.
BRAVO Athelstane!
http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2004-08-25/news/bishop-takes-queen/full/
Here ya go Burke gives vows to transsexual!
http://www.traditio.com/comment/com0502.htm
Raymond Burke tries to sell successful self sufficient latin mass parish.I am not being hateful.I am simply helping you realize the truth.You wanted links,here ya go!
The SSPX was great for around 20-25 years but,times have changed.Recognize & Resist has become a dated ideology.Sedevacantist or Novus Ordo is what we have been left with in our century.The lukewarm middle ground will be forgotten.
Hey lunatic....do you seriously, seriously consider these links to be bolsters for your specious, wormtongue 'argument'? The first is from an ultra-left media source quoting ultra-left dissenters...for pete's sake, they vilify the priests of Christ the King and the TLM! It would appear from the text (did you even bother to read it?...or was the print obscured by the rage-drool spilling from the corners of your curled mouth?) that Burke took it to the Vatican. It would certainly appear to be a wildly messed-up case, but with a whole lot more depth of fact than your spittle-flecked-nutty rant against all thing Burkian would allow. Calumny on your part.
As to the second link....wow; just......wow. A rabid, sede, ax-to-grind, Christ-wouldn't-be-orthodox-enough-for-me, makes-John-Hagee-look-sane, wingnut. Would LOVE to see where this "father" is now.
You are being hateful, whether you're 'trying' to or not. You're blind in your rage, and that's a self-inflicted spiritual mortal wound. Spend some time in Adoration, and just listen. Serious, don't try to tell Him everything He should be doing....just listen and let go of the rage. You're vilifying and calumniating with disingenuous 'evidence' a good man of God....and Lord knows we have precious few of those left.
So copying & pasting links to facts is 'hateful' according to you? Aren't you the same one who insulted me in your first sentence? Good job way to be consistent!
You have a real hard time reading and comprehending don't you?
The Catholic Encyclopedia article on Savanarola at Newadvent.org ends saying that Savanarola was not guilty of heresy.
Who wrote the article, George Tyrell SJ?
I can't help thinking of Pope Urban VI when I learn what Francis does. Will the next event be similar? I wish not.
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