Tony Palmer had become widely known through a video message from Pope Francis to the American Pentecostal churches
London (kath.net / KAP) Tony Palmer, bishop of a group of evangelical Anglicans and friend of Pope Francis, died on Sunday in England from the consequences of a motorcycle accident. The English-born South African was in the Pentecostal churches most recently as one of the world's most prominent figures for dialogue with the Catholic Church. Palmer, during his contact with the Holy Father, described him as one of his "spiritual fathers," which came into being in its time as Archbishop of Buenos Aires, where Palmer worked for the charismatic renewal.
Great deal of attention was given to the video message from the Pope to a meeting of American Pentecostal churches that Palmer had recorded during a personal meeting with Francis in January 2014 in the Vatican with his smartphone. In his introduction to the video the minister referred to the papal message of brotherhood, unity and love. "Brothers and sisters, Martin Luther's protest is over. And yours?" said Palmer. Pope Francis had explained in his video message that he longed for an end to the separation between the Christian denominations. During the evangelical meeting, he spoke of "brothers" and called for a "mental hug" and prayer for one another.
Edit: In case you haven't seen the video, here it is:
I realised when I read about this that, because of the giant shadow of one New Ecumensim and one of its most violent advocators - Bergoglio - on the Catholic landscape, I had failed to pray for this chap (at least not enough so I remember), while he was still this side of the grave. Even though I knew that Bergoglio's messing about with him was wrong, it still had the impact of obscuring the fact that he was outside the Church. He was not evangelized by Bergoglio, this is clear by Palmer's own words. He remained in the protestantism of dissolving Christ. As one post said, “Let us pray that somehow, by a miracle of divine grace, Mr. Palmer was able to convert to the True Faith before being called so suddenly to appear before his Judge, who desires “all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth” (1 Tim 2:4); the post then reminded its readers of the Church teaching, reiterated by Pius IX, that it is wrong to entertain 'good hope', however, that 'all' those who are not in the true Church of Christ might find eternal salvation. The lie of this 'good hope' business is what new ecumenism has based all its eternally bad and eternally wrong hopes on, ignoring the everlasting words of Christ and the teachings of His Bride.
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DeleteI'm eager to learn. Is this some kind of quest for enlightenment?
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DeleteThis Pope Francis is going to preach n' apologize at a Pentecostolist "church" in Rome. Disgraceful! Reminds me of JP II and his Assisi gatherings.
ReplyDeleteHow much longer do we have to suffer with Pope Francis!!
Benedict XVI should be ashamed of himself for giving in and resigning and letting ":all the poison that lurks in the mud hatch out."
Am I the only one who thinks the pope had just a little bit to much to drink? One does wonder if that is the reason for all of the sudden cancellations due to an "indisposition".
ReplyDeleteThat would explain a lot of this pontificate. A drunken sailor is steering the barque of St. Peter.
DeleteI've never really heard him speak before, bit this is surely a sign of some sort of illness, physical or mental, possibly both.
DeleteMundabor has noted on his blog that Jorge seems a little grappa-ised on such occasions as the above extended selfie. I can't tell since a lot of Argentinians tend to seem tipsy when they are quite sober - but then the tango is the epitome of Argentinian formality, so it could just be a case of tribal idiosyncrasies.
DeleteDon't blame Argentina for this pope. It is an unjust characterization of faithful Catholics there who do not behave as he does. It sounds a bit prejudiced to generalize Argentines this way. Tribal idiosyncrasies?!
DeleteTrue enough, The Germanies has all kinds of prelates who are just as bad.
DeleteI think this is one of the very many stupid excuses certain people desperately make to try to "explain" his countless words and deeds that objectively do not accord with the Deposit of Faith or morals because the obvious reason is so awful. Don't take it to heart - people are doing mental contortions to try to explain it all away. (certainly not, Viterbo) I'm sure orthodox Argentinian Catholics knew what was coming when Pope Francis was elected. Blessed Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle . . .
ReplyDeleteFor the last 50 years the pastors of the Church have turned a blind eye to dissent from bishops, priests and religious. Millions of souls have been lead astray by unfaithful men and women who knew better. We deserve this man who is now pope. We deserve everything we are enduring from his personal sloppiness, his utter disdain for Tradition/tradition, his scandalous interviews....basically everything we have had to bear since he slithered onto that balcony. We deserve this. God help us. These are dark days. But I do give thanks to God that he wasn't inflicted on us back in 2005.
ReplyDeleteYes, so do I!!! Can you imagine the wreckage of the Church if Bergoglio had beaten the great Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger for the office of Pope. I wonder if he would have still chosen Francis as his name. Probably not.
ReplyDeleteInstead, we had nearly eight years of a welcome interlude of a "somewhat" traditional papacy of Benedict XVI. He was a magnificent Pope compared to recent people, especially Francis I.
In this close up video clip, Francis looks and sounds surprisingly ill. And he has not improved since.
I would not be surprised if his upcoming trip to South Korea is either canceled due to sudden illness, or he becomes ill during the trip back from the trip and is quite ill later on.
Who wants to bet that Francis will name his friend a "Doctor" of the Church? Let's face we can all see him doing it. And get set for the anniversary of the Reformation. Let's see.....Francis will #1-lift the excommunication on Luther, #2- he will canonize Luther and declare him a Doctor of the Church as well, #3-abolish the celibate priesthood, #4-will concelebrate "Mass" with a Luthern "bishop" in St. Peter's..........let's be honest, we can all easily imagine Francis doing all of the above.
ReplyDeleteIt is rather discouraging reading these comments, not because of the yearning for doctrinal veracity, which is admirable, but because of the unexpressed undercurrent of lack of charity towards our Protestant brothers and sisters.
ReplyDeleteCatholics and Protestants are Christians. We believe in the Trinity. We believe Jesus is Lord.
Obviously have real differences in doctrine! Is that am excuse for failing to love one another as brothers and sisters of our one Lord? Is the Lord calling us to compromise on doctrine? I don't think so. But is the Lord calling us to hate one another? No!
It's impossible to please God without the Catholic a faith.
Deletehttp://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s1c3a1.htm
DeleteThe necessity of faith
161 Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation.42 "Since "without faith it is impossible to please [God]" and to attain to the fellowship of his sons, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will anyone obtain eternal life 'But he who endures to the end.'"43
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm
Wounds to unity
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818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272
819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276
Toward unity
820 "Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time."277 Christ always gives his Church the gift of unity, but the Church must always pray and work to maintain, reinforce, and perfect the unity that Christ wills for her. This is why Jesus himself prayed at the hour of his Passion, and does not cease praying to his Father, for the unity of his disciples: "That they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, . . . so that the world may know that you have sent me."278 The desire to recover the unity of all Christians is a gift of Christ and a call of the Holy Spirit.279
821 Certain things are required in order to respond adequately to this call:
- a permanent renewal of the Church in greater fidelity to her vocation; such renewal is the driving-force of the movement toward unity;280
- conversion of heart as the faithful "try to live holier lives according to the Gospel";281 for it is the unfaithfulness of the members to Christ's gift which causes divisions;
- prayer in common, because "change of heart and holiness of life, along with public and private prayer for the unity of Christians, should be regarded as the soul of the whole ecumenical movement, and merits the name 'spiritual ecumenism;"'282
- fraternal knowledge of each other;283
- ecumenical formation of the faithful and especially of priests;284
- dialogue among theologians and meetings among Christians of the different churches and communities;285
- collaboration among Christians in various areas of service to mankind.286 "Human service" is the idiomatic phrase.
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