(Rome) Pope Francis has written a letter to the former chief editor of the left-liberal daily La Repubblica and leading Italian journalist, Eugenio Scalfari. Scalfari, who comes from an old Masonic family, co-founded the Radical Party , is an atheist, a vociferous opponent of the Church, senator for life and one of the principal propagandists of Italian referendums of the 70s with which divorce and abortion were legalized. The initiative of the Pope is therefore exceptional, in need of explanation and partially controversial.
Statements like the enthusiastic media reports have made easily digested conclusions on their own. So even wrote about the Italian Catholic daily Avvenire: "'God forgives, who follows his own conscience.' Pope Francis wrotes in a letter to the newspaper Repubblica, in response to two articles by Eugenio Scalfari that were published on the 7th of July and 7th of August. The Pope responded in a letter to two key issues that had Scalfari raised: 'it seems to me that it is on your mind, to understand the position of the Church to those who do not share faith of Jesus. Above all, you wonder if the Christian God forgives those who don't believe, and don't seek the faith. It is said that, and this is fundamental, that the mercy of God knows no bounds. The question for those who do not believe in God, is in obedience to their conscience. The sin exists also for the one who has no faith, if you act against your conscience."
New healing formula: God will save the atheists who follow their conscience?
The statement may not be so wrong, and really left uncontested, fits. But what does not fit, is the unspoken, but the logical conclusion: There is no need to turn to Christ, it is sufficient that one follows his private conscience. And now you can even invoke a pope. Yes, the Pope says it himself.
Thus, the saving act of Christ on the cross is diminished, if not meaningless, which should change and determine the whole life of the people and should really be proclaimed by the Church to all people. Here, the papal letter to Scalfari contains many bright moments on the relationship with Christ, which completely recalls Pope Benedict XVI. The relativization of conversion as a requirement for salvation is strange to the German Pope, however, strange and rather reminiscent of the new Bergoglio style that appeals to the media like that. The media reactions speak for themselves.
The new salvation formula is: God will save the atheists who follow their conscience? Because Christ doesn't play a role.
On Wednesday morning, the Pope said, but in his short sermon, the message of St. Paul was: "Christ is all," he is the wholeness and hope, "because He is the bridegroom, the victor".
And in the Wednesday audience with the Pope, he said: "In baptism, we are born of the Church as God's children." And urged the faithful to be "fruitful" so that the faith as "the light of Christ reaches all the ends of the earth."
Not a contradiction?
Etymological correctness with danger of a misunderstanding - that occurred promptly
Another point of the Pope's letter was picked up by various media with satisfaction: The Pope is supposed to have written to Scalfari that there is no "absolute truth". This is *not* what the Pope wrote. However, the formulation used by the Pope gave rise to misunderstandings, the wich La Repubblica immediately exploited to portray the Pope himself as a proponent of relativism. The question of whether there is an absolute truth or not, is central to the Christian faith.
"Absolute" is most often used as a synonym for definitely non-negotiable objective and incomparable. Francis Pope clarified in the letter to Scalfari however, that he is correct in his etymological meaning, which comes from Latin, used in the statement that "the truth is not absolute".
The term "absolute" is derived from the Latin verb absolve from, absolvere, which is composed of the preposition ab (from) and is composed from the verb solvo (loosen), when put together the past participle is conjugated as solutus, and is a passive form. Absolutus thus means "detached, loosed from". The Latin verb solvo refers not only to a physical separation but is also in the context of a relationship, such as is understood by Nuova Bussola Quotidiana. [Catholic Daily with Vittorio Messori and Andrea Tornielli] This makes that passage in the Pope's letter to Scalfari more understandable:
I would not even begin to speak of an "absolute truth" with those who believe, in the sense that this absolute is what is loosed, what is without that relationship. The truth, according to Christian faith is but God's love for us in Jesus Christ. Therefore, the truth is a relationship! [Note: It differs a bit from Rorate's translation. ]
The truth is not "absolute", not because it is relative, but because it is a relationship and therefore needs bonds: the love of God, and his life in the reality of the Church.
The question of the usefulness of this word game of the Pope remains. The danger of a misunderstanding from the outset was on hand. Why, then, was this risk taken, which occurred promptly, as it was used, to the euphoria of La Repubblica, and in whose wake numerous other media? So who has availed themselves of etymological "correctitude"? Whose salvation should this benefit? How much additional confusion has been lent to it without necessity?
Text: Giuseppe Nardi
Image: Nuova Bussola Quotidiana
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
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22 comments:
Another fine mess . . . . . . .
If the Pope is constantly "misunderstood" or the media intentionally twists his message, maybe he should be more careful in his expressions. The ambiguous Vatican II talk only leads him - and the Church - to more trouble.
The Popes are constantly misunderstood by the fifth estate. It was true in the 19th century, and it’s true today.
The Catholic Faith's principles are clear and don't confuse. Much of what comes from Pope Francis sounds like New Age therapy.
There are no misunderstandings by the fifth estate. They know that they twist and turn words to suit their agenda of evil. The big difference between then and now is that the graced popes of the past did NOT give them the constant fodder to do so. This one does. So did Benedict XVI.
Their salt has lost it's flavor.
He's a crowd pleasing ear tickler. Sorry to say. :(
It doesn’t matter if a Pope, like Pius IX, says something ambiguous, controversial or off the cuff, the Masonic press is going to take advantage, they always do.
At least the Catholic media in Italy understands this. I wish more Catholics elsewhere did.
With all due respect that this Pope deserves, his fuzzy formulation is scandalous at best and heretical at worst. The Church is clear in its teaching that one has to be joined to the Church before the end of one's life to be saved. This is NOT a miserly, judgmental formulation; rather it reflects the great mercy of the Almighty. Note it also obviously does not contradict the words of our Lord; e.g., "He who denies me before men I will deny before my Father in Heaven" and "But when the first also came, they thought that they should receive more: and they also received every man a penny. And receiving it they murmured against the master of the house, Saying: 'These last have worked but one hour, and thou hast made them equal to us, that have borne the burden of the day and the heats.' But he answering said to one of them: 'Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst thou not agree with me for a penny? Take what is thine, and go thy way: I will also give to this last even as to thee. Or, is it not lawful for me to do what I will? is thy eye evil, because I am good?' So shall the last be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen."
I understand the Church's teaching on salvation to be a faithful reflection of the divine law revealed by our Lord - one must convert during life to be saved. There is no requirement on how soon the conversion need happen since our Lord himself indicated that it could come "late in the day" so to speak. If by his statement the Pope meant that an atheist could deny our Lord up to and including the moment of his death and be saved because he was a good person otherwise, he is a heretic!
Artistic depictions of successful and unsuccessful in extremis conversions:
Lord Marchmain:
http://youtu.be/QMnTLM18jnc
Don Giovanni:
http://youtu.be/dK1_vm0FMAU
I am considering going to the Greek Orthodox Church over the actions, agenda, and opinions of this Pope. I have never come close to hating any of the recent Popes....until now.
He is a radical liberal, and almost a heretic. What he said about atheists goes against everything all pre-Vatican II Popes thought and taught. Even Paul VI, JP II and Benedict XVI were not as radical as this guy.
Here are some of the rumors, and stories I have read this week alone....along with others, that is driving me out of the Church thanks to Pope Francis;
1. Refusal to dress in Papal vestments
2. Refuses to live in the Vatican
3. Recieves visiting heads of state etc. without ceremony and disregards all Papal protocol.
4. Is going to ride around the Vatican in his own beta up 23 year old car (what a joke!)
5. Is considering the idea, and allowing discussion of married CAtholic priests (not just for Protestant converts who are already married.....but in general). A shocking and horrible change.
6. Is rumored to be going to suppress the honorific office of Monsignor.
7.Has kept the scandalous and infamous homosexual pervert Monsignor Ricca in office.
8. Called a gay man on the phone and told him there was nothing wrong with being gay.
There's more but I can't think of them now....and I am sure there will be more every week.
Hopefully he's gone in 1-2 years at most.
None of those thing you've enumerated amount to a charge of heresy.
If you think Orthodoxy is the way to go, all I can say is that familiarity breeds contempt. If you think you're somehow going to be free of sodomites, of sexual predators and the like, you've got another thing coming.
"May his pontificate be short, and another take his office....
Francis: "Sin, also for him who does not have faith, is when one goes against conscience."
He is saying that, both for believers and unbelievers, sin is not when we offend God and cut ourselves off from Him, but when we go against our conscience.
If an atheist goes against his (malformed) conscience and chooses to believe in God, he sins‽
He's clearly advocating liberty of conscience, which is the basis of ecumenism and which Pope Gregory XVI condemned in Mirari Vos:
14. This shameful font of indifferentism gives rise to that absurd and erroneous proposition which claims that liberty of conscience must be maintained for everyone. It spreads ruin in sacred and civil affairs, though some repeat over and over again with the greatest impudence that some advantage accrues to religion from it. "But the death of the soul is worse than freedom of error," as Augustine was wont to say. When all restraints are removed by which men are kept on the narrow path of truth, their nature, which is already inclined to evil, propels them to ruin. Then truly "the bottomless pit" is open from which John saw smoke ascending which obscured the sun, and out of which locusts flew forth to devastate the earth. Thence comes transformation of minds, corruption of youths, contempt of sacred things and holy laws — in other words, a pestilence more deadly to the state than any other. Experience shows, even from earliest times, that cities renowned for wealth, dominion, and glory perished as a result of this single evil, namely immoderate freedom of opinion, license of free speech, and desire for novelty.
Liberty of conscience → relativism of truth (denial of absolute truth).
I'm assuming he means it's necessary to have a well formed conscience.
We've been having this discussion in one form or another since the Boston Heresy Case of recent memory.
Grace builds on Nature. It certainly is true that sin exists when the conscience is violated. That is true for all humans, such is the human heart created by God. But we are admonished by Christ to seek to enter by the narrow door, and He is the Door. And so we are commanded to bring the Good News of Salvation to all the ends of the Earth. And what is that Good News? The Light shines in the Darkness. And so each person hears this Creed and is enjoined to form their consciences correctly, according to the Church's Magisterial Teaching charism.
It is ALSO A FACT that Popes make errors in conversation. This, though in letter form, could well be considered "conversation." And, as such, it may contain an error. Who am I to say? I cannot say for certain. And so I will not say.
that Fr. Feeney excommunication/re-instatement without change of opinion sure was strange. It was accomplished by a footnote during the Vatican II Ecumenical Council's pastoral document on the Church. Are footnotes infallible? By expanding the concept of the Church, and establishing that "one baptism" creates a saving bond, Feeney and the Slaves won removal of the excommunication. Odd, how an arch-conservative group was saved by a ultra-liberal tenet....
Or as is more likely the case, an acknowledgement that he was right all along.
With due and honest respect to the pope, wish someone tells him not to open his mouth anymore, because every time he does he inspires the enemies of life, the faith and sacramental marriage to drub the Church even more. He has the habit of throwing Catholic Doctrine under the bus and appears happy he does. Catholics need to pray more for his conversion and those around him.
Friend, I did that years ago and it was one of the worst mistakes of my life. Please, please do not leave Peter's side and the Universal Church for nationalistic churches. And as was alluded to, behind the truly impressive exterior, you eventually will learn of serious problems. I came back knowing I was in for a fight and disappointment in the short term. But I've nailed my hind paws next to Peter and there I will die, God willing.
Absolutely agree - frankly speaking, they do it purposefully because they no longer believe in The faith as it has always stood but in their new post-conciliar paradigm of pantheistic phenomenological anthropocentrism. This pope is the culminating fruit of nearly 50 years of popes shouting anthropocentric liberalism from the rooftops which is craftily disguised in their phony primacy of conscience dogma. Anyone with intelligence can see that such a view in today's philosophical climate is tantamount to a denial of the importance of The Roman Catholic Faith in salvation. It is a convenient opt out clause for relativism & indifferentism.
Good Evening Anonymous - as a cradle Roman Catholic myself I no longer listen to liberal modernist popes when they speak because they are by definition enemies of the church, as Pope St Pius X made clear in "Pascendi..." Read it and then be faithful to Sacred Tradition. The last four popes have been & are liberal modernists. They speak with forked tongues.
yes, he had the cheek to tell us to spend our pre-Christmas contemplation in silence. Wonderful advice for him too but he is incapable of holding his poisonous tongue.
The last four major papacies have been friends of the freemasons & all and sundry but at best hardly even acquaintances with real traditionalists. What can we expect but this?
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