We present here in 3 parts a public conference given by Fr. Daniel Themann on April 16 at St. Mary's, Kansas, which answers some questions from the so-called "Resistance" concerning the SSPX's recent discussions with Rome.
Fr. Themann carefully outlines necessary principles for properly understanding the situation while contrasting examples of Archbishop Lefebvre during his own talks with the Holy See, particularly of what led up to the "May Protocol".
CDs of the conference are available from:
Immaculata Bookstore St. Mary's, KS
1-800-724-6862 info@immaculata.com
1-800-724-6862 info@immaculata.com
13 comments:
Where are the other 2 parts? After listening sounds like this priest would make a great NO bishop who pleads prudential judgment when he orders communion be given to pro-aborts and removes priests who refuse to give communion to practicing lesbians.
LOL You don't deserve to listen to parts II and III. You are an idiot.
After watching these videos, I support the Resistance even more. It seems that Fr. Pfeiffer was right in that they were ready to make a deal with Rome and he was wise to send out an alarm to the faithful. When I listened to Fr. Themann, I don't hear the fight of Archbishop Lefebvre, but I heard surrender to the still modernist, apostate Rome. When I listen to Bishop Williamson, Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko and the other resistance priests, I still hear the voice of Archbishop Lefebvre. Deo Gratias for the Resistance!
Why the Resistance? Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EEmmrYajJo
You still haven’t shown how the document which Bishop Fellay was prepared to sign was the one Archbishop Lefebvre rejected.
This priest dances well. Doesn't address what NO would get for re-admitting SSPX, but I think Benedict released the info when Fellay started to give info about a private understanding w/the Pope as his excuse when the agreement fell through, i.e. that Fellay HAD agreed to accept the 1969 mass. This is the same quid Rome has been using for years to get traditionals back into the flock and we all know where it has led for the traditionals.
http://www.sspx.org/superior_generals_news/what_bishop_fellay_really_said_to_cardinal_canizares_about_the_new_mass_1-21-2013.htm
He did not go into the specifics of the agreement or how Fellay ignored the instructions from the society about not separating doctrinal from canonical status or how Fellay's agreement would have left the other three bishops out in the cold to work out their status separately w/Rome. It is basically just trust Fellay even though he seems to have been caught telling different stories to different people--funny though that to defend Fellay this priest even went so far as to poke fun at Lefebvre calling Rome the antiChrist & then negotiating w/them (inconsistent position). Too bad for SSPX that Fellay is no Lefebvre.
I would be curious if there was any money offered to Rome as part of this deal, since it seems the Pope was desperate for funds.
Everyone who doesn't agree w/Fellay is a sedevacantist. But person who asks question so how does SSPX justify w/disobeying Rome gets no response.
+Fellay went to Rome expecting a deal in which there would be no expectations of the SSPX except the kind of normal obedience you would expect from a Society in union with the Catholic Church. What they were shown instead was a document that completely ignored all of the advances made up until that point.
it was a complete bait and switch. This is well documented and I’m surprised anyone who claims to be well informed would maintain that there was anything else afoot.
There are all kinds of Societies outside of the orbit of the SSPX or even the Catholic Church, why not go there?
The same reason you disobey your parents who have Lawful authority over you and God commands you to honor them when they tell you to rob a bank. And because "We ought to obey God, rather than men."
But then you already know that, don't you Anonymous? Why sure you do you. Now go curl up into a fetal position in the corner over there before God strikes your backside with a lightning bolt for your calumny against a holy and faithful Prince of the Church.
Tancred, that was always my understanding, as well. I have not seen anything to indicate Fellay was prepared to make massive concessions, and he was as shocked as anyone when the bait and switch was pulled. Just like 1988 - a deal was worked out, then Cardinal Ratzinger, perhaps full of excessive glee, who knows, starts talking about introducing the Novus Ordo, concelebration, etc. So, Archbishop Lefebvre backed out.
I pray this split doesn't happen, but it looks like its quite set in stone. I friend who has been affiliated with the Society for 20 years says this split was almost inevitable, it's been baked into the Society since the original consecrations in 1988. Different factions with different aims, etc., that even +Lefebvre had a very difficult time keeping in order.
That's his opinion, it's really beyond me, but my sense from the resistance is that they have been looking for an excuse to break away. My friend knows many of these priests, and he's sad, but not going that route.
It’s probably not an easy case to make what with all the disinformation going on with the usual suspects among professional Catholics, but the SSPX is the most obedient organization within the Catholic Church today.
Von: Roland Stadler
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2014 13:51
An: dol659@hotmail.com
Betreff: The Truth about FSSPX
Dear People,
You will not be afraid about these lines.
The main reason why I will contact you is to wake you up from your dream, that FSSPX is a Catholic Communitiy.
This sect is as evil as Protestants and as the Counter-Church in Rome.
The Church, the Catholic and Apostolic Church, the one and holy is in england and nowhere else. It was the will of God to send us to england and secure the church before the Anti-Christ in Rome and in Germany. Why does god did not take action in these days? It is your wickedness, your ignorance, my sins why God let the gentiles destroy the Church in Rome and the world. Think about the Eagle Wings which bring the Woman into the wilderness. It is teaching of the Church, that the woman is the church and the Whore is the Counter-Church. Both are appearing in Rome, but the Woman will be brought out of Rome, who will be left?
The whore, the Vatican II Sect, will be left, and you are aall supporter of the Church of Anti-Christ. You are all venerating to the Anti-Christ Wojtyla and his False Prophet the Rat. and the evil aat end, you are venerating a layman, Francis the homo, a Freemason and Saatanist.
The other truth about FSSPX is, that they are all Layman, no clergy. Lefebvre was a fraudster, he was never a Priest and never a Bishop.
The Mystery Babylon is revealed by the Great Monarch, but the people do not follow him and do not follow the call of Jesus, come out of the Vatican II Sect and out of the German Anti-Christ System my people.
You are supporting simulants, which have no power to spend Catholic and Apostolic Sacraments.
The Real Church is without of clergy since 2004, when the last Priest died. He was they only one who had sentenced the Anti-Christ in his sermon, he sentenced Wojtyla and his sect until he was driven out of the Church estate.
The church is back and the witnesses are working and could no more been killed by the wicked.
You will hate me about this line, but it is the truth and this writes the person which was usurped by the Anti-Christ, the real heroe of Fatima, the Great Monarch, which will come as de destroyer of False Doctrines and Ideologies, he who will defeat the Anti-Christ by his own law.
Time is over, a pependance is impossible, God had closed your hearts before the truth, you have to stay in darkness until the Great Judgement when the Days of Darkness were over.
When you are not a member of the clan David, you are not written in the Book of Life.
Jesus said, on their works you will recognise them. The works are the False sacraments which were spend by all false traditionalists.
In Christo
Roland Stadler
White Eagle
Catholic Council of European Citizens Foundation
I sigh with you, Tancred!
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