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| Bishop Bernard Fellay |
(kreuz,net) In the next days the Society of St. Pius X will give it's answer to the Vatican about the dogmatic Preamble.
This is what Vaticanist, Andrea Tornielli said on 'vaticaninsider.com'.
The answer contains a counter proposal.
This will state that the Society can not recognize the Pastoral Council in positions related to ecumenism, religious freedom and collegiality.
The Request of the Vatican
On the Feast of the Immaculate Conception the General Superior of the Society of St. Pius X, Bishop Bernard Fellay, discussed the negotiations with the Holy See.
It was an occasion to address the problem with the dogmatic Preamble. It lay in the condition that the Council must "be accepted".
But it may be criticized.
Rome has moved a bit
Msgr. Fellay has found also "interesting" statements in the Preamble.
This is so the Society recognizes, that some points, which make difficulties with the Council, are understood only in the light of continuous, enduring Tradition and the teaching office.
More still: Every interpretation of doubtful Conciliar texts, which contradict the Church's teaching office, must be discarded.
This is what the Society has always said -- maintains Msgr. Fellay.
The problem: The Vatican's practice is in contradiction to this principle.
"They say, everything, what was done in the Council is good, that corresponds to Tradition, ecumenism and religious freedom" -- continued the Bishop.
The Problem is Not the Society
With respect to the discrepancy with the principle and its practice, Msgr Fellay identified that it is the "greatest of problems".
He also insists that the Society and the Vatican do not understand the terms "Tradition" and "teaching office" in the same way.
At the same time he praised the Preamble as "a gesture on the side of Rome". This gesture surprised him.
Because the doctrinal talks themselves had clearly shown both sides not to be united.
Actually, despite this clear disunity, Rome asked for the acceptance of the Council.
The Society answered: "We can't do it".
Msgr Fellay's proposal: The Vatican should "try to understand that the Society is not the problem, rather there is a problem in the Church."
The Church is Disintegrating
Msgr Fellay still has great hope that Rome will reconsider.
At the same time he recognizes the magnitude of the collapse.
As an example he described a congregation of sisters, which was once widespread in France.
In the meantime the community has three nuns between the ages of thirty and forty years of age, and in the ages of forty and fifty another three sisters.
About two hundred sisters are over seventy years old.
In the age group between twenty and fifty the number is only one less than in the age group over 100.
Msgr. Fellay's conclusion: "The Church is laying in death. She is disappearing. She has to wake up."
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Thursday, November 17, 2011
SSPX IMPLY BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS VISIBLE, THEN THEY ASSUME IT’S AN EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION: OFFER LATIN MASS WITH NOVUS ORDO ECCLESIOLOGY
The Society of St. Pius X needs to announce that the baptism of desire is not an exception to the dogma and that everyone with no exception needs to convert into the Church for salvation.Otherwise it is an impediment for saying the Latin Mass. It is the actual rejection of a dogma which Pope Pius XII called an ‘infallible statement’. SSPX must recognize that it is an impediment for offering Holy Mass according to Canon Law.
Similar to the SSPX, the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP), former SSPX members, are rejecting the dogma and Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7) which says all need to enter the Church with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water. For the FSSP all in the present time need to enter the Church except for those in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire.
I do not know if the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican will consider the SSPX and FSSP error an impediment to offering Mass since the Paulist Fathers at the Church of Santa Susanna in Rome reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They claim Vatican Council II has changed this teaching and they provide a theology of religions on their website. They offer Mass in English, ordain their priests and the Vatican gives them canonical status.There are no demands made on them by the Vatican as is the case for the SSPX.
Fr. Peter Scott writes on the SSPX website that unlike the modernists they believe in the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Yes- as compared to the Paulist Fathers in Rome. However there are priests who offer the Novus Ordo Mass who say they respect the dogma however those in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are exceptions to the dogma. Sounds familiar?
Fr. Peter Scott criticizes the modernist ecclesiology in a letter to Bishop Raymond Boland, of the diocese of Kansas City, USA. Yet the SSPX is using the same ecclesiology as the priests who offer the Novus Ordo Mass. If the SSPX priests assume that the baptism of desire contradicts the dogma then they also imply that the baptism of desire is visible for us and is as explicit as the baptism of water.I do not like to write all this since in many ways I admire the SSPX but it is unfortunate that they are using the same ecclesiology as in the Novus Ordo Mass.
Fr. Peter Scott and Fr. Francois Laisney of the SSPX assume in written reports on their website, and in a book by Fr. Laisney, that the baptism of desire is visible and explicit and so is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The SSPX needs to issue a clarification on this subject-Lionel Andrades
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